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Star Wars (May the Force be with you)

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Sloopy45 said:
Its a pretty good article, I highly reccomend picking it up. It exposes Lucas as the full of shit liar, ego-maniac, and phony that he is.
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Are you actually serious??? Your statement is down right creepy and is the reason why you come across as an obsessed fanboy. Are you really so obsessed with the first trilogy that you have to personally attack Lucas at such a level? You really have some issues if you believe everything you write. Strange that this "full of shit liar, ego-maniac, and phony" was able to create three movies you love.

lvbuckeye: "as in, 'the ability to build a 100 megaton bomb is nothing when compared to the Power of the Allmighty.' of course that doesn't mean that someone can't shoot me just because i believe in the Power of an Allmighty"

.....And, if that's the case, no ones shooting me (because I can read his mind, see the future, deflect his gunshot, etc. - all thing's that're pretty much commonplace for a Jedi to do). So, megaton bomb aside, no one outside of a Sith Lord can kill a Jedi in combat (in theory, of course).
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Can you please list one instant in any of the six movies where any Jedi shows this type of ability? I'm sorry you built the Jedi out to be more than they really are, but there is nothing to support your demi-god image of them. (I for one never pictured them as powerful as you did.) It would also create many so-called inconsistencies in the first trilogy. If the Jedi are as power as you imagined...read minds, see the future, etc...then how do you explain Vader not realizing the Millenium Falcom did not jump to lightspeed, but was attached to a ship in his own fleet? Shouldn't he be able to read their minds and know what Han's plan was? Or shouldn't he have felt their presence in the Force? Or how can you explain Palpantine's inabilty to see the Ewok's as a threat. Shouldn't he be so powerful as to see their intervention?

The reality is that Vader is talking about the Force and not the Jedi or Sith's ability to use it when comparing it to the power of the Death Star. As I stated earlier, the power to create is greater than the power to destroy, therefore making the Force the more powerful element.

Lucas also was quoted (in EW 2 weeks ago), recanting a previous lie (as noted in the article), by saying that the idea for the Prequels was indeed an outline (not a script), & of that outline, 60% of it was used in 'Sith', 20% was used in 'Clones,' and the remaining 20% was used in 'Menace.' And to quote Lucas in the article, "In order to get Phantom Menace to 2 hours, I had to use a lot of Hamburger Helper."
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You need to go over to www.theforce.net, go to the message boards for the movies and look under the Star Wars Saga page. They have a list of quotes from Lucas over the years. He stated many times during the late 1990s that he only had a working outline, 7-8 pages of notes regarding the back history that composes the prequels. If he stated scripts at some point, it was likely taken out of context or misunderstood. I used to be a member of the Star Wars Insider and it has been clear since 1997 that Lucas was writing new scripts, fleshing out his old notes.

As for you comment about "Hamburger Helper" and "Painting Method", it sounds like the same idea to me, or don't know where it loses you.

Actually, you are incorrect. We believe in the Almighty, we don't wield His power. In fictional terms, Jedi do more than BELIEVE in the Force, they wield the power of the Almighty.
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When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked. Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to a mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea," and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." (Matthew 21:20-22).

Now these versus are a bit more complicated than they appear by themselves, but it does show that Christians actually wield His power if they have enough faith (it is important to note than in the Hebrew mind "faith" is often used as a verb rather than a noun as we associate it, showing that it is not simply believing, but actually acting).
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
I didnt title the thread "A long, drawn out, pointless Star wars-nerd discussion" :)
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True, but it is Star Wars. You have to know that the nerds, geeks, and fan boys are going to flock to such a thread. It's like pouring sugar on the ground at a picnic, you know the ants are going to show up.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
lvbuckeye: "as in, 'the ability to build a 100 megaton bomb is nothing when compared to the Power of the Allmighty.' of course that doesn't mean that someone can't shoot me just because i believe in the Power of an Allmighty"


....And, if that's the case, no ones shooting me (because I can read his mind, see the future, deflect his gunshot, etc. - all thing's that're pretty much commonplace for a Jedi to do). So, megaton bomb aside, no one outside of a Sith Lord can kill a Jedi in combat (in theory, of course).
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of course, by that same logic, the Jedi Counsel would have seen Palpatine for what he was in Ep I, so that prety much kills that line of thought...

second of all, where does is EVER state that only a Sith can kill a Jedi? or did you just make that rule up? granted, i've never read any of the books- i tried, but just couldn't do it- but i'll bet all $1000 of my vCash that it's never stated in any of the movies...

BTW, are the bootleg DVD's going around there like they are in Vegas? everyone i know has one... the one i saw was a pretty clean copy too, though the digital counter runs the whole time... during the whole thing it only skipped three times, and graphics glitched a time or two, but that's it...
 
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lvbuckeye said:
second of all, where does is EVER state that only a Sith can kill a Jedi? or did you just make that rule up? granted, i've never read any of the books- i tried, but just couldn't do it- but i'll bet all $1000 of my vCash that it's never stated in any of the movies...
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I hope it doesn't say that. A few jedi are killed in Episode II by wimpy droids. And, of course, storm troopers kill a bunch in Episode III.
 
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buckeyegrad: "Your statement is down right creepy and is the reason why you come across as an obsessed fanboy."

That has nothing to do with being obsessed. I don't like Lucas. Period. I don't like his ego, his lies, and all the crap that's been spewed about these movies. You don't have to be obsessed to not like someone.

"Can you please list one instant in any of the six movies where any Jedi shows this type of ability?"

Okay. Here goes:

Read minds/Jedi Mind Trick: Luke Skywalker: "Your thoughts betray you, father. I feel the good in you. The conflict .."

Mace Windu: "These aren't the muthafuckin' droids you're looking for."

See the Future: Luke: "I saw a city in the clouds."
Yoda: "It is the future you see."

Deflect Laser Blasts: On Cloud City in Empire, Han Solo shoots Vader and he absorbs the laser blast in his hand. And says, "We would be honored if you would join us.

Have you purposely forgotten all these powers?? Did you think a Jedi is just a guy who carries a colorful sword? For a die-hard Star Wars fan, you either don't pay much attention, or you have selective memory.

"(I for one never pictured them as powerful as you did.)"

Well then, I guess the ability to destroy a planet is WAY MORE significant than the power of the Force, isn't it??

"then how do you explain Vader not realizing the Millenium Falcom did not jump to lightspeed, but was attached to a ship in his own fleet?"

Vader wasn't anywhere near Captain Piett's Star Destroyer when the Falcon was lost.

"Or shouldn't he have felt their presence in the Force?"

Its already been established that a Sith/Jedi can only feel the presence of another Sith/Jedi that they've encountered before. Han Solo is not a Jedi. That's why Vader could only feel Luke in the band of Rebels on the Endor moon. The Emperor couldn't sense Luke on Endor, either.

"Or how can you explain Palpantine's inabilty to see the Ewok's as a threat. Shouldn't he be so powerful as to see their intervention?"

The Emperor did indeed forsee his own downfall. "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has forseen this. It is your destiny." Maybe he didn't see the specifics of it: he didn't see Vader's betrayal, etc. Or maybe he did see the Ewoks and dismissed it: "Your overconfidence is your weakness."

"He stated many times during the late 1990s that he only had a working outline, 7-8 pages of notes regarding the back history that composes the prequels."

Lucas has changed his tune 100 times. First it was a script, then an outline, then a script again, and now an outline again. I'm very much aware of the stuff you're trying to tell me here.

lvbuckeye: "of course, by that same logic, the Jedi Counsel would have seen Palpatine for what he was in Ep I, so that prety much kills that line of thought..."

My point EXACTLY. The prequels are INCONSISTENT with the folklore that has already been established. But this has been explained as the emergence of the Dark Side has clouded the Jedis' vision throughout the prequels. Which I can definately buy. I have no problem with that.

"second of all, where does is EVER state that only a Sith can kill a Jedi? or did you just make that rule up?"

I've never read any of the books either. It never specifically states that. I'm just saying, if we know all these truths about Jedi, how could anybody kill one besides a Sith? Think about it: a Droid Army? You could just Force push all those Droids back and smash them to bits. Storm Troopers? They have weak minds that can be controlled via the Jedi Mind trick .. if I can control someone's mind, there's no way they're kicking my ass. Jango Fett? It took Luke all of 2 seconds to deal with Boba Fett in Return of the Jedi. General Grievious? Just telekinetically open up his chest plate and Force choke his heart.
 
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"Or how can you explain Palpantine's inabilty to see the Ewok's as a threat. Shouldn't he be so powerful as to see their intervention?"

The Emperor did indeed forsee his own downfall. "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has forseen this. It is your destiny." Maybe he didn't see the specifics of it: he didn't see Vader's betrayal, etc. Or maybe he did see the Ewoks and dismissed it: "Your overconfidence is your weakness."
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Okay... this is really going too far.

Why didn't Palpatine view Ewoks as a threat... hmmm... maybe because they are little bears that live in the woods that look like Shih Tzu's?

What are you gong to spend your time worrying about... a Jedi who's been prophsisezed to restore balance to the force, or a wee Shih Tzu Bear?

CHRIIIIST.
 
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Early in the life of this thread there was some discussion of the inconsistency of some but not all Jedi knowing of Luke's sister in the early trilogy vs the state of knowledge from the end of the current Episode.

What always struck me as odd was that this appeared to come as a surprise to some characters -- even in this episode. I mean, these folks can leap from galaxy to galaxy, manufacture and operate droids, indulge in cloning, and create biomechanical prostheses.

Yet they can't get an X-ray or Sonogram to determine that Luke's mother has twins?
 
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sandgk said:
Yet they can't get an X-ray or Sonogram to determine that Luke's mother has twins?
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Maybe Padme knew they were twins, but never told anyone. She was trying to hide the fact that she was pregnant, in the first place. Maybe she even never visited an obstetrician. Is that how you spell "obstetrician?" Whatever. Anyway, I never thought of that. You'd think that if SHE knew it was going to be twins, she'd at least tell Anakin.
 
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