Game Thread Southern Cal 18, at tOSU 15 (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

[NFBuck]

Hell at least the rankings show how athletic these guys are.

Seriously, stop.

IMO, McKnight and S. Johnson are top notch backs that would start most anywhere. I've seen enough of Gable and I've never been overly impressed. Bradford and Tyler have shown little-to-nothing to justify their lofty rankings. Havlii is a very good FB, but the two behind him are unproven.

That's nice depth, I'd love to have it, but it isn't the best ever in my mind, or most others. And your fascination with having a bunch of high ranked recruits that haven't necessarily proved anything over ultra productive combo's is silly to me.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Am I the only one who remembers Jones/McFadden getting injured multiple times? Give Joe McKnight and Stafon Johnson 200 carries each in a season and they both have over a 1,000 yards. I could put a new 5 star RB with a 5+ YPC average in each quarter.

Enough. You keep saying this crap as if it's a given. You don't have a clue how'd they do.

This is your entire argument so far:

1. They have a lot of backs.
2. They had a lot of stars on recruiting websites
3. They're all hall of famers who just haven't had a chance to shine.

All because of a game against fucking San Jose State.

 

[jwinslow]

Only Miami had 4 deep when they had Portis, McGahee, Gore, and Davenport on the roster. Those other teams were either 2-3 deep.

You've have YET to establish anywhere near a 4-deep for USC, other than recruiting stars.

Portis & McGahee were both top-5 NFL backs, and Gore was a top-5/10 type guy. You're telling me USC's stable is going to have THREE top-5 NFL backs? Because that is required to be clearly better like you claim...

. I could put a new 5 star RB with a 5+ YPC average in each quarter.

And there we have the foundation of the disconnect tonight. Tyler's 5-stardom has helped propel his teammates above a team with 3 future NFL star RBs and another quality FB/power-back.

Bradford too. Why produce when you can ride the coattails of star rankings and other players?

 

[NextBuck]

You need to learn to attach "In my opinion" to your posts. Again, besides recruiting rankings, how can you say for sure these guys would start? Because they were 5* players? There was a kid who transfered out of USC to UF a couple years back, 5* kid, Moody? Where is he now?

They're very talented and very deep, but you can step down off your mantle.

Moody is at UF and rushed for 417 yards last year with a 7.2 ypc, and had 86 yards tonight against Charleston Southern.

This was all just my opinion, so I dont get why I need to put "In my opinion..." but I guess I need to in the future.

I love great tandems like Bush/White, Blanchard/Davis, etc but personally I feel that USC has around five 1,000 yard rushers on their roster. I live in SoCal, so I've seen plenty of their games and I know that if each of them got their carries needed then they would probably get that number.

I think McFadden/Jones is better than S.Johnson/McKnight. The Arky duo is ALOT better, but that doesnt mean that the Arky RB stable is more deep and overall talented.

My original post is something along the lines of this being the most talented deep group of RB's. I stand by that.

I dont think they are the most productive, or will leave with the most accolades, but I think all of them will be drafted and all have decent NFL careers.

ALSO... Why hasnt anyone given me negative rep? I thought you guys would be all over this one? lol

 

[NFBuck]

You've have YET to establish anywhere near a 4-deep for USC, other than recruiting stars.

Why produce when you can ride the coattails of star rankings and other players?

Chalk is good.

 

[NFBuck]

ALSO... Why hasnt anyone given me negative rep? I thought you guys would be all over this one? lol

Reverse negative ding whining? That's a new one...

I only ding scUM morons and assholes that can't control their emotions, I don't know about everybody else.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Ohio State 5 Star lineman Mike Adams, J.B. Shugarts, Conner Smith, Justin Boren and Mike Brewster. Thus OSU will dominate USC's Dline keeping USC's 5 star army of RBs neutralized

 

[jlb1705]

Their career stats will never match what we've seen out of the other stables because they will never get the carries necessary to reach that type of credit. They will get lucky if one of them gets 200 carries in a season.

Miami had a great run and is right up there with SC in the 2001 season when it comes to this debate, but I give SC the edge at the moment.

So you can't be proven wrong because none of these guys will ever get enough carries to prove that they're anything other than what you think?

This fallacy couldn't be more appropriately named:
Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jwinslow]

Moody is at UF and rushed for 417 yards last year with a 7.2 ypc, and had 86 yards tonight against Charleston Southern.

Gotta love stat references from 70 point spread matchups...

I think McFadden/Jones is better than S.Johnson/McKnight. The Arky duo is ALOT better, but that doesnt mean that the Arky RB stable is more deep and overall talented.

Why, how many carries are bradford & tyler getting? Do we get to start counting RB depth for teams that are redshirting players?

My original post is something along the lines of this being the most talented deep group of RB's. I stand by that.

I'd settle for you attempting to show how Tyler & Bradford are worthy of this untouchable designation you are giving them... something besides recruiting stars and them being really good. Shouldn't they have to actually put up decent backup numbers before declaring their greatness?

Is proximity to other greatness enough?

 

[DaytonBuck]

that about sums it up

 

[SEREbuckeye]

A couple vids to gets us pumped up (like that even needs to be done) for USC:

Explicit music, but awesome
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUvHMtTN3Ss]YouTube - Ohio State vs USC Promo 2009[/ame]

From last year, but just too funny not to be posted
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdvElyXaj-Y]YouTube - Cool Ray-Go Back 2 Cali!( CARSON PALMER DIS)[/ame]

 

[DaytonBuck]

Gable has started more games than the other two have in the past. When healthy Gable has started more games, and usually gotten more touches. Tyler has looked fantastic in mop up duty and will probably prove himself when the rest leave. Bradford hasnt had the best career, but he is a pretty good short yardage back and maybe he will step it up this year.



1. Ok, I've said that
2. They did, but they have also proven themselves on this level. Only McNeal and Shoemate havent proven themselves, and maybe Bradford but I like his potential. Gable, Johnson, McKnight, and Tyler have all proven to me that they were not only 5 star prospects in high school, but also very productive college players who could start at 90% of the schools in the country.
3. No they arent hall of famers, or even heisman candidates. They are 1,000 yard backs for sure though if they got their carries. They are extremely talented, and will get their shot in the NFL.

No it isnt because of SJSU. I live in SoCal so I've seen about 20 USC games the past 4 years.



My 4 deep for SC is: Gable, McKnight, S. Johnson, and Havili. 3 of them have rushed for over 1,000 yards in their career, and Havili is a Top 3 FB in the country. This is only so far in their career.

Hell if you want to argue with me then say something like Chris Brown and DeMarco Murray both had 1,000 yards by themselves last season. That would be a good way to shove a knife in my arguement.

I dont know what these guys are going to do in the NFL and I really dont care. NFL success means little to nothing with me. If NFL succcess is everything then Charles Rogers and Reggie Bush sucked in CFB, and arent among great players.

I just honestly think after watching these guys soo much the past couple of seasons and hearing what I hear from SC fans that they have talent-wise around 5 backs who could start nearly anywhere in the country, and rush for 1,000 yards. To me that is special

Not a single USC running back would start at Okie State

 

[jwinslow]

Hell if you want to argue with me then say something like Chris Brown and DeMarco Murray both had 1,000 yards by themselves last season. That would be a good way to shove a knife in my arguement.

I considered it, but you're not actually making an argument that can be debated against (it's built around hype, "talent" & recruiting stars). I've asked you multiple times, and I still see no sign of a 4th or 5th back worthy of worship.

My 4 deep for SC is: Gable, McKnight, S. Johnson, and Havili. 3 of them have rushed for over 1,000 yards in their career, and Havili is a Top 3 FB in the country. This is only so far in their career.

Don't give me Havili, because we both know he's not starting for any team in the country at RB nor is he running for 1000 yards at any school other than rutgers a few years back (with no RB).

Who is this 4th back? Let alone the 5th that you go on to gush about below...

I just honestly think after watching these guys soo much the past couple of seasons and hearing what I hear from SC fans that they have talent-wise around 5 backs who could start nearly anywhere in the country, and rush for 1,000 yards. To me that is special

How in the world do you know the 5th string back would start NEARLY ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY (as though there aren't a number of excellent backs in america)? Again this comes down to hype and coat-tail riding.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Moody is at UF and rushed for 417 yards last year with a 7.2 ypc, and had 86 yards tonight against Charleston Southern.

And Moody was beaten out by a couple of freshmen last year.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I punched myself in the face. It helped a bit.