Game Thread Southern Cal 18, at tOSU 15 (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

[BUCKYLE]

Blah blah blah...

You really dont think at least 2 of the 6 wouldnt be 1,200+ yard rushers on other teams around the country? Come on.

No. I think they benefit from a pretty good OL and Pac 10 defenses as evidenced by jwins' post showing how it's common for teams in the Pac 10 to have RB's that avg seven and eight yds/carry yet none are considered "all time greats".

But seriously...you're a USC fan...aren't you?

 

[DaytonBuck]

I believe due to USC's accumulation of 5 star players, Pete Carrol's wacky antics and the fact the producer of the OC Josh Schwartz attended there, we have little chance

 

[NFBuck]

You guys obviously dont follow what USC has done at all.... They have 6 guys who would be starting RB's at 6 Top 15 programs in the country. Yeah there have been amazing two deeps or even three deeps, but no one has ever gone 6 deep with this amount of talent. I dont think any of them are all-time great backs, but I wouldnt be surprised if 4 of the 6 RB's become NFL starters.

RB:
Stafon Johnson (5 Star) 239 Carries/1,395 Yards/5.8 YPC/14 TD
CJ Gable (5 Star) 231 Carries/1,194 Yards/5.2 YPC/12 TD's
Allen Bradford (5 Star)42 Carries/123 Yards/ 2.8 YPC/3 TD's
Joe McKnight (5 Star) 183 Carries/1,199 Yards/6.6 YPC/5 TD's
Marc Tyler (5 Star)36 Carries/198 Yards/5.5 YPC/1 TD
Curtis McNeal (3 Star) (Ask USC fans about this kid. They hoot and rave about him.)

FB:
Stanley Havili (4 Star) (62 REC/596 Yards/3 TD's--34 Carries/205 Yards/6 TD's)
DJ Shoemate (5 Star)

I stand by my statement, no doubt. There has NEVER been a better stable of runningbacks in college football history than this list. Yeah lots of teams have had talented 2 deeps with maybe a talented FB, but no one has ever gone 6 deep with two very talented FBs.

Some of these guys would be all-americans if it wasnt for the fact that most of them get less than 100 carries a season. Check NFL draft rankins to figure where NFL guys expect them to go. Most have them going in the Top 3 rounds besides the FB's and McNeal. Stafon, CJ Gable, Tyler, and McKnight will probably be Top 3 round picks.

They have 3 guys on their roster with over 1,000 career yards rushing and all three of them have over 5 yards per carry. They also have quite possibly the best RB in the country in Havili.

The closest a team has come to this amount of depth and talent was the 2001 Miami team, and the only reason you guys would place them above is because you know what they did in the pros.

Go ahead and toss out names like Blanchard/Davis, Thomas/Sanders, Johnson/Griffin, White/Allen, Bush/White, etc but no one has ever had this type of depth on their roster. They basically 6 of the Top 15 RB prospects from the past 5 years on their team.

We havent even seen the best from these guys yet. CJ Gable, McKnight, Tyler, McNeal, Shoemate, and Havili are either Juniors or Younger. We saw the potential of Bradford today, and Johnson is probably going to be a Top 2 round pick.

So yeah I stand behind my statement for sure.

You really dont think at least 2 of the 6 wouldnt be 1,200+ yard rushers on other teams around the country? Come on.

Your age really shows in a lot of your posts. You have a very narrow view on the history of CFB, it also shows with your discussion of All-Time QBs.
What makes you say these guys:
CJ Gable (5 Star) 231 Carries/1,194 Yards/5.2 YPC/12 TD's
Allen Bradford (5 Star)42 Carries/123 Yards/ 2.8 YPC/3 TD's
Joe McKnight (5 Star) 183 Carries/1,199 Yards/6.6 YPC/5 TD's
Marc Tyler (5 Star)36 Carries/198 Yards/5.5 YPC/1 TD
"definately" start for any other team other than their recruiting rankings? I can name a number of backfields I'd take over them:
Early 00's Miami
03-04 Auburn
06-07 Arkansas
93-95 Nebraska
05 USC
Just off the top of my head.
Hell, even if they lost tonight, Oklahoma's RB's rival USCs.

I'm talking depth and production. You're too enamored with recruiting rankings.

 

[OSUsushichic]

Beards aren't cool.

Oh no you di'n't!

 

[jlb1705]

Stafon Johnson (5 Star) 239 Carries/1,395 Yards/5.8 YPC/14 TD
CJ Gable (5 Star) 231 Carries/1,194 Yards/5.2 YPC/12 TD's
Allen Bradford (5 Star)42 Carries/123 Yards/ 2.8 YPC/3 TD's
Joe McKnight (5 Star) 183 Carries/1,199 Yards/6.6 YPC/5 TD's
Marc Tyler (5 Star)36 Carries/198 Yards/5.5 YPC/1 TD
Curtis McNeal (3 Star) (Ask USC fans about this kid. They hoot and rave about him.)

Those are career stats, and the best of them barely stacks up with single seasons of many of the guys we've named. You're talking about all of these guys going in the top three rounds - the rest of us are talking about guys that went in the first round. Antonio Pittman was a top three round guy - a nice RB, but doesn't belong in this kind of discussion.

The closest a team has come to this amount of depth and talent was the 2001 Miami team, and the only reason you guys would place them above is because you know what they did in the pros.

Afraid not - saw it with my own eyes. There was a run of about 5 years where Miami had the best RB in all of college football, and next year's best RB in all of college football riding the bench behind him.

We havent even seen the best from these guys yet.

And yet they're the best ever? Won't you at least let them prove it first?

 

[DaytonBuck]

I think those tandems are great, and if you take the current USC top 2 and DmAc/FJ Top 2 at Arky then I'd take the Arky tandem in a landslide. If you tell me I can get the entire USC RB stable and the entire Arky RB stable, USC wins in a landslide.I'd could be on my 4th string back and have a 1,000 yard rusher. t.

You'd take USC's current RB's over DMAC and Felix Jones?

 

[DaytonBuck]

Which USC running back is a first round talent?

 

[NFBuck]

Shit, I don't really care, but until someone names me a team that had at least 5 backs that would start at at 5 Top 25 schools in the country on the same roster at the same time then I'm standing my ground.

There have been better tandems, but not better groups.

You need to learn to attach "In my opinion" to your posts. Again, besides recruiting rankings, how can you say for sure these guys would start? Because they were 5* players? There was a kid who transfered out of USC to UF a couple years back, 5* kid, Moody? Where is he now?

They're very talented and very deep, but you can step down off your mantle.

 

[jwinslow]

Also since we are saying it is common for Pac-10 backs to rush for 6-7 ypc then I guess backs like Marshawn Lynch, Steven Jackson, LenDale White, Jonathan Stewart, etc werent that great in college as well?

Once again:
Cal had 6 average over 5 YPC, including the fullback The year before that, all 5 backs averaged 5 YPC. Best 7.1 ypc, hawkins 8.6, the fullbacks averaged 5.8 & 7.7.

It's clearly not that difficult to put up gaudy numbers in the pac-10. I'm not saying there aren't good players in that group, but they're putting up some pretty absurd numbers too, and with a large sample size of players.

Shit, I don't really care, but until someone names me a team that had at least 5 backs that would start at at 5 Top 25 schools in the country on the same roster at the same time then I'm standing my ground.

How can we argue with your assumptions?

 

[jlb1705]

Once again. I was talking about a stable of backs. You're just naming two. Name me depth dammit! All you guys have been able to come up with is 3 at most.

Your version of depth is four guys who have combined for 9 career TDs. One of them averages 2.8 YPC (even Lydell Ross was better than that) and another guy who hasn't touched the football yet according to you but "USC fans think he's good".

They have good arguements. I just dont think anyone matches the depth at USC at the moment. We havent even seen the best of these backs yet.

And your version of "best ever" is an ever that by your own admission hasn't even happened yet.

 

[jwinslow]

You need to learn to attach "In my opinion" to your posts. Again, besides recruiting rankings, how can you say for sure these guys would start? Because they were 5* players? There was a kid who transfered out of USC to UF a couple years back, 5* kid, Moody? Where is he now?

Wallowing in mediocrity... despite Meyer's desire to have a power back. Moody was starting ahead of most of these USC guys at one point....

Stafon & McKnight are excellent. They are not at the same level as USC, Arkansas, Oklahoma duos in the past 3 seasons. USC has good depth, but not like Miami had earlier this decade.

Bradford did not eclipse 50 yards in either of his first two seasons, yet we're supposed to bow at his feet and say he'd start at most schools? I think he's good, but come on.

Beyond that, Tyler is a nobody at this point. Doesn't mean he'll stay one, but he just hasn't played enough to judge him.

 

[jlb1705]

Actually Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount should be up there as well.... Mmmm

You mean he of the 8 carry, -5 yd. performance against a WAC team? This is a joke, right?

Can this be split off so we can get back to next weekend's game?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I stand by my statement, no doubt. There has NEVER been a better stable of runningbacks in college football history than this list. Yeah lots of teams have had talented 2 deeps with maybe a talented FB, but no one has ever gone 6 deep with two very talented FBs.

Come back when you have more than about five years of watching college football...

 

[JXC]

Wallowing in mediocrity... despite Meyer's desire to have a power back. Moody was starting ahead of most of these USC guys at one point....

Stafon & McKnight are excellent. They are not at the same level as USC, Arkansas, Oklahoma duos in the past 3 seasons. USC has good depth, but not like Miami had earlier this decade.

Bradford did not eclipse 50 yards in either of his first two seasons, yet we're supposed to bow at his feet and say he'd start at most schools? I think he's good, but come on.

Beyond that, Tyler is a nobody at this point. Doesn't mean he'll stay one, but he just hasn't played enough to judge him.

McKnight is going to be tough to stop...i'm surprised he doesn't get more Heisman talk. I think it's pretty obvious that USC is going to score, but this year I think we can score with them...we have some GREAT athletes on offense as well, and if we get them the ball they can take off just like anybody over there from SC.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I think that especially from what we saw last year first hand that we can see that USC's backs are ballers.

You sold me. Gotta' have that swagger too.