Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Ummm...Charlie Weiss' stomach??

Reasonable guess.

 

[Nutriaitch]

I remember Carter... who else was in his class at WR? Was it Bowe? Doucet? Both, neither? I remember LSU grabbing... what was it.. 3 great WRs that year, Carter was definitely one of them.

Dwayne Bowe, Craig "Buster" Davis, Carter, and Amp Hill were all in that same class. Bowe and Davis both went in the 1st round last year. Amp Hill is one of those where you wonder "what could have been". He was above all of these guys on the depth chart, until he hurt his knee in spring ball. Never was able to get back completely, and transferred to USF (I think that's where he went), and eventually, gave up on football.

 

[Tigerkid05]

I think you can say that about any colllegiate sports fan Tiger. what did you think about the above speed chart by BGriff ?

I think it's accurate except that jacob hester is not on there, he's our 1000 yard rusher who is as dependable as the come. he's quick for a fullback and he always falls forward. the "who's faster" debate is kind of skewed. its common sense that you have to be fats nowadays in college football because thats the way the game is being played. however, i think it's the play style. in the SEC, you win with big plays and team speed. everyone seems to run fast. however, the big 10 is smash mouth football. so while people give credit to the SEC for it's speed, we don't get as much credit for being powerful (ie Lee Corso saying LSU's front will be pushed around by OSU's line) and vise versa. that's where i think that whole debate comes from

 

[buckeyebri]

It seems like I've posted this before, but that stuff is total horseshit.

Are those estimates, hand timed runs, or did someone throw darts at a donkey to come up with them?

Trindon Holloway or Trindon Holliday?

Is Maurice Wells really faster than Brandon Saine (in the 40, because it would be laughable to suggest he would be faster in the 100)...cuz I really, really doubt it.

Are LSU's CB's really slower than James Laurinaitis?

If Trindon Holliday (5'5", 160 lbs.) runs a 10.08 hundred meters, and Brandon Saine (6'1", 220 lbs.) runs a 10.38 100 meters, who's faster on a football field in full pads, long grass (ok, field turf) and carrying a football?

More importantly, how often do any of these guys run 40 meters in a straight line on one play?

You should send this off to the Herd since he has been hammering the crap out of the Big Ten and OSU lately....

 

[IronBuckI]

...If Trindon Holliday (5'5", 160 lbs.) runs a 10.08 hundred meters, and Brandon Saine (6'1", 220 lbs.) runs a 10.38 100 meters, who's faster on a football field in full pads, long grass (ok, field turf) and carrying a football?
...

Since Brandon's times were 20-30 pounds ago...in his junior year...before the injury that ended his Senior track season and his meniscus tear, I would have to say that Holliday is still faster in pads. Include that I haven't actually seen Brandon play fast at any point this year ( I don't include the last play of the Washington game because everyone has run away from the Washington D this year), and I have seen Holliday looking very fast on the football field. I would still give the edge to Holliday.

 

[Bluegras Buck-i]

I would be intreested to see what kind of national respect/lack there of the SEC received in 1996 after its champion was so badly beaten in a NC game.

I don't recall a program and its entire conference ever catching so much flak over 1 goddamn game.

I think every newspaper and on-line article I have read this year has referenced the 41-14 loss. I hear it on about 1/3 of TV/Radio talk shows segments covering OSU.

 

[Gatorubet]

I think every newspaper and on-line article I have read this year has referenced the 41-14 loss. I hear it on about 1/3 of TV/Radio talk shows segments covering OSU.

Again, it wasn't all about the BCS blowout. It was the whole tOSU and Michigan as the undisputed number 1 and 2, only to have BOTH blown out in so spectacular a fashion. Had Michigan been ranked 24th, and won its bowl, the stand alone Buck loss would not have made the dent on the football psyche that it did. It was the whole Michigan and tOSU being the best followed up by thrashings - with a 41-14 Irish whooping by LSU thrown in - that set the tone. Beat LSU, win the majority of your bowl games and that January 07 score will be ancient history, left to "yeah - but..." lame excuses for trolls.

 

[Coqui]

Again, it wasn't all about the BCS blowout. It was the whole tOSU and Michigan as the undisputed number 1 and 2, only to have BOTH blown out in so spectacular a fashion. Had Michigan been ranked 24th, and won its bowl, the stand alone Buck loss would not have made the dent on the football psyche that it did. It was the whole Michigan and tOSU being the best followed up by thrashings - with a 41-14 Irish whooping by LSU thrown in - that set the tone. Beat LSU, win the majority of your bowl games and that January 07 score will be ancient history, left to "yeah - but..." lame excuses for trolls.

Like Miami fans?

 

[Bluegras Buck-i]

Again, it wasn't all about the BCS blowout. It was the whole tOSU and Michigan as the undisputed number 1 and 2, only to have BOTH blown out in so spectacular a fashion. Had Michigan been ranked 24th, and won its bowl, the stand alone Buck loss would not have made the dent on the football psyche that it did. It was the whole Michigan and tOSU being the best followed up by thrashings - with a 41-14 Irish whooping by LSU thrown in - that set the tone. Beat LSU, win the majority of your bowl games and that January 07 score will be ancient history, left to "yeah - but..." lame excuses for trolls.

The Mich loss was never referred to in the newspapers or on-line articles and rarely mentioned on TV/Radio. It was solely referred to as something like "OSU is now 8-0, only a year removed from the 41-14 thumping from FL"

 

[UpNorthBuckeye]

You should send this off to the Herd since he has been hammering the crap out of the Big Ten and OSU lately....

Today he was worse than ever. Not only trashing the B10 but showing just how rude and immature he can be with callers.

Said this in another thread -- after today, I put Colic Cowturd below Jim "That Was a Great Interview" Rome.

Go Bucks!

 

[Nutriaitch]

Since the inception of the BCS system in 1998 B10 vs SEC head to head:

Bowl Games: B10 13 SEC 11

I haven't read through this entire thread, so I don't know if this has been touched upon. The SEC CG hurts us in some years at getting a second team into BCS games. Example. in '03, Georgia would have almost definitely been in a BCS bowl game. But they lost to us in the SEC CG. Without that CG, both us and UGA would have been in BCS games. The loser of the SEC CG has never been invited to a BCS bowl game.

 

[NOLASooner]

Any thread that presents evidence to assail the mindlessly repeated dogma that "the SEC roolz CFB" is greatness, GREATNESS, I say !!!

 

[schwab]

I haven't read through this entire thread, so I don't know if this has been touched upon. The SEC CG hurts us in some years at getting a second team into BCS games. Example. in '03, Georgia would have almost definitely been in a BCS bowl game. But they lost to us in the SEC CG. Without that CG, both us and UGA would have been in BCS games. The loser of the SEC CG has never been invited to a BCS bowl game.

Sort of along those lines, the Big Ten's overall bowl record has maybe suffered a tad due to regularly getting two teams into the BCS. For example, this season, Illinois being bumped into the Rose to play USC moves each team up a rung, into a game against a team that they otherwise would never have played. Then throw in that 5 of 8 Big Ten bowl games this season are played in the home state of our opponents, and you can see how Big Ten bowl results can be looked at in another light. I am not complaining about getting 2 BCS games, but it can hinder the league's overall Win-Loss record in years such as this, when every Win is important.

 

[billmac91]

I haven't read through this entire thread, so I don't know if this has been touched upon. The SEC CG hurts us in some years at getting a second team into BCS games. Example. in '03, Georgia would have almost definitely been in a BCS bowl game. But they lost to us in the SEC CG. Without that CG, both us and UGA would have been in BCS games. The loser of the SEC CG has never been invited to a BCS bowl game.

If I'm reading what you're trying to say accurately, I think you may have misunderstood that statistic.

In head-to-head games against the SEC in the BCS Era (1998-present) the Big 10 is 13-11 against the SEC.

I guess missing out on a BCS game doesn't mean much in accordance with that statistic. I think the point is, head-to-head the Big 10 has more than held its own against the SEC, which you'd never get from listening to the national media.

If I'm pointing out something you already understood, I apologize.

 

[BengalsAndBucks]

I haven't read through this entire thread, so I don't know if this has been touched upon. The SEC CG hurts us in some years at getting a second team into BCS games. Example. in '03, Georgia would have almost definitely been in a BCS bowl game. But they lost to us in the SEC CG. Without that CG, both us and UGA would have been in BCS games. The loser of the SEC CG has never been invited to a BCS bowl game.

But it in fact helps your record in the series, because a team that would have otherwise been BCS bound gets bumped down to one of the top non-BCS games, and most of the SEC top non-BCS games are paired up with the Big Ten. Therefore, a better-than-its-bowl-game SEC team plays a Big 10 team that is about equal to its bowl game, and presents an inherent mismatch. I am not saying that this happens regularly, but it has happened and skewed the results, albeit slightly.