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SimPLLLLLLLe Jim "6-13" Harbaugh (B1G Suspenders McKhakiPants, Cheater Cheater Booger Eater)

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By the way, regarding the money it took to buy this coach? Not only does Harbaugh have a reported $48M contract, but Michigan still is paying Hoke $3 for the remainder of his contract, not to mention the $2.5M Michigan paid to WVU and Rodriguez' legal fees over his contract dispute. ( I"m leaving out the $14M that Hoke made in salary while he was at U/M, and Rodriguez $7.5M salary and subsequent $2.5M contract payout). This has been one expensive conga line of coaches.....
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
All those Harbaughs look alike anyway
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Yep
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If what we're seeing with these contract numbers is correct, this is going to have a ripple effect across all of college football. Going to be very interesting to see what comes next. Going to be some unhappy admins across the country in my imo...
 
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Saw31 said:
If what we're seeing with these contract numbers is correct, this is going to have a ripple effect across all of college football. Going to be very interesting to see what comes next. Going to be some unhappy admins across the country in my imo...
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Well, I'm not sure that this contract will immediately result in demanding coaches wanting big raises. I think everyone realizes that Michigan was incredibly desperate. They also were starting to suffer from the "big house" having empty seats, and alumns were beginning to threaten to pull money. Not to mention also that Stephen Ross, who is an alum and major benefactor of Michigan Athletics is a money pipeline, willing to give U/M anything the athletic department needs to stay in the black and winning. Ross is THAT Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins , a real estate developer, the namesake of the Ross School of Business at U/M and a multi-Billionaire. He donated $100 million to the Athletic Department at U/M in 2013( and another $200 M combined in 2004 and 2013 to the Business School).

Money is not an issue at U/M although the ethics of buying coaches, etc. used to be a concern there. Those days are gone with the new administration and the current and former AD's who have no prior AD experience but were CEO's of large corporations. They are simply interested in putting out a product and will spend whatever it takes to do so. To be fair, Hackett, the current AD, played football at U/M a lifetime ago, but that doesn't change the business/corporate atmosphere now in the athletic department at U/M.
The vast majority of universities cannot compete with that. Most don't have a single sugar daddy such as Ross who wants to buy out the football programs needs.
I think at some point, the NCAA may be called upon to begin to deal with the outrageous amount of money that is now required to put on a football program. If they don't find some way to limit or cap expenditures by schools, we sadly are going to find one day that there will be maybe 15-20 schools in the country with a football program. UAB's football program demise was a canary in the coal mine, IMO. I know people say it was because there was no attendance at their games, but that portends what will happen at other schools who cannot compete with the salaries, recruiting, etc. and whose teams will simply be practice squads for the few big boys left.
 
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buckeyeupnorth2 said:
Well, I'm not sure that this contract will immediately result in demanding coaches wanting big raises. I think everyone realizes that Michigan was incredibly desperate. They also were starting to suffer from the "big house" having empty seats, and alumns were beginning to threaten to pull money. Not to mention also that Stephen Ross, who is an alum and major benefactor of Michigan Athletics is a money pipeline, willing to give U/M anything the athletic department needs to stay in the black and winning. Ross is THAT Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins , a real estate developer, the namesake of the Ross School of Business at U/M and a multi-Billionaire. He donated $100 million to the Athletic Department at U/M in 2013( and another $200 M combined in 2004 and 2013 to the Business School).

Money is not an issue at U/M although the ethics of buying coaches, etc. used to be a concern there. Those days are gone with the new administration and the current and former AD's who have no prior AD experience but were CEO's of large corporations. They are simply interested in putting out a product and will spend whatever it takes to do so. To be fair, Hackett, the current AD, played football at U/M a lifetime ago, but that doesn't change the business/corporate atmosphere now in the athletic department at U/M.
The vast majority of universities cannot compete with that. Most don't have a single sugar daddy such as Ross who wants to buy out the football programs needs.
I think at some point, the NCAA may be called upon to begin to deal with the outrageous amount of money that is now required to put on a football program. If they don't find some way to limit or cap expenditures by schools, we sadly are going to find one day that there will be maybe 15-20 schools in the country with a football program. UAB's football program demise was a canary in the coal mine, IMO. I know people say it was because there was no attendance at their games, but that portends what will happen at other schools who cannot compete with the salaries, recruiting, etc. and whose teams will simply be practice squads for the few big boys left.
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The last paragraph is exactly what I was thinking, except for 1 point you made.

Does this contract finally break the 'NCAA as governing body' model? Or does this begin the process of forming some kind of 1A Super Division, with the big boys that can afford to play? Because the NCAA is not going to get into the business of 'salary caps' on programs in my imo.
 
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Saw31 said:
If what we're seeing with these contract numbers is correct, this is going to have a ripple effect across all of college football. Going to be very interesting to see what comes next. Going to be some unhappy admins across the country in my imo...
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No doubt about that. Although I'm sure folks named Meyer and Saban might not be so disappointed......
 
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Jaxbuck said:
No actually what is has to do with is odds and risk reward.

The key factors in the equation are the reward side:1) OSU doesn't need scUM to be any better than they are now (see current inclusion in the playoffs) and the Risk side; 2) the better scUM is the higher their odds of beating OSU.

So any increase to risk that doesn't also increase reward is a bad thing for OSU. The people pining for a better scUM are also essentially saying "lets add risk without any reward because you know Woody and Bo".

Just saying it's an opinion and to each his own doesn't make it a smart opinion.
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You're correct, the risk of an OSU loss is greater w/Harbaugh at tsun. But he is their next coach, whether we like it or not. So, I'm simply embracing the change (risk), and welcoming the challenge with no fear. I believe our probability of victory (reward) is still an advantage with Urban Meyer leading our program, I'm not concerned that JH will come into the BIG and take over the league. OSU is better than that.

I not happy for tsun, I don't WANT them to be good, but, their probably going to be much improved in a couple of years. I have no issue with that, and I'm probably in the minority on this, but I would like to see the BIG become a stronger conference as a whole, and JH at tsun can't hurt. Maybe it's just midwest pride, I don't know. I don't like playing shitty teams, that's boring, regardless of the risk/reward.

I never claimed my opinion was smart, or smarter than anyone else's. But as a former athlete, much like many of the members on this board, I know when I played really good football teams, I got a lot better and learned from it, as opposed to playing a punch of pussies. Again, that's just me.

It's a revolving discussion, I'm not trying to kick the horse. It is what it is.
 
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BuckeyeFan 52 said:
You're correct, the risk of an OSU loss is greater w/Harbaugh at tsun. But he is their next coach, whether we like it or not. So, I'm simply embracing the change (risk), and welcoming the challenge with no fear. I believe our probability of victory (reward) is still an advantage with Urban Meyer leading our program, I'm not concerned that JH will come into the BIG and take over the league. OSU is better than that.

I not happy for tsun, I don't WANT them to be good, but, their probably going to be much improved in a couple of years. I have no issue with that, and I'm probably in the minority on this, but I would like to see the BIG become a stronger conference as a whole, and JH at tsun can't hurt. Maybe it's just midwest pride, I don't know. I don't like playing [Mark May]ty teams, that's boring, regardless of the risk/reward.

I never claimed my opinion was smart, or smarter than anyone else's. But as a former athlete, much like many of the members on this board, I know when I played really good football teams, I got a lot better and learned from it, as opposed to playing a punch of pussies. Again, that's just me.

It's a revolving discussion, I'm not trying to kick the horse. It is what it is.
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A few things.

We all understand we have no control over who their coach is. We were commenting on Buckeye fans openly rooting for M*ch*g*n to get better.

It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with the fact that the best situation for TOSU is a shitty M*ch*g*n and a shitty Notre Dame.

There are 12 other teams that can take care of conference strength, if that's what you're into. We don't need M*ch*g*n to be strong to have a strong conference. Fuck midwest pride if M*ch*g*n is the one representing the midwest.
 
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Saw31 said:
A few things.

We all understand we have no control over who their coach is. We were commenting on Buckeye fans openly rooting for M*ch*g*n to get better.

It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with the fact that the best situation for TOSU is a [Mark May]ty M*ch*g*n and a [Mark May]ty Notre Dame.

There are 12 other teams that can take care of conference strength, if that's what your into. We don't need M*ch*g*n to be strong to have a strong conference. Fuck midwest pride if M*ch*g*n is the one representing the midwest.
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I can't even believe anyone is still taking the "other" side on this. I can only assume that those who ARE doing so, are simply too young to understand. I mean, yeah, eveyone is entitled to opinions, but there's really no reasonable argument that a quality TTUN does anything positive for us, meanwhile there are obvious trends in history that show how TTUN having even a mediocre squad can have a negative impact.
 
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