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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

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they would have been sued into this position eventually anyway, might as well get your arms around it before the court order comes along

If they have any sense at all they will limit freshman pay. If the courts let them that is

It will be interesting to see what kind of clauses they have in these contracts

I have to wonder if multi year contracts will be a thing
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
they would have been sued into this position eventually anyway, might as well get your arms around it before the court order comes along

If they have any sense at all they will limit freshman pay. If the courts let them that is

It will be interesting to see what kind of clauses they have in these contracts

I have to wonder if multi year contracts will be a thing
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I don't know how college football can avoid evolving into a full-blown professional league at this point. Maybe if 20 years ago the universities representing the bulk of the television revenue had agreed to share revenue and set pay for student athletes (and cap coaches salaries?) things would have turned out differently. But that is really a fantasy scenario, and I don't know if it would have even been legal under the Sherman Act. Where there's this kind of money involved, someone is going to want more than their current share. So, the greediest bastards in the room inevitably win out and run things to their benefit. To quote Gordon Gekko, greed works.
 
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Idk how anyone could be against the athletes earning a paycheck, for doing the same thing the guys on Sundays do. But are for coaches making millions off of the blood, sweat and tears of those players, and even more behind schools and conferences earning billions off of the same players. Day just got a $50k bonus based off of the PLAYERS having a 3.25 GPA, how does the coach get a bonus when the kids are taking the tests and completing the homework!?! Networks have no problem paying conferences billions, but get up in arms when the players who drive all of this, expect a cut. This is LONG overdue, and is a shame that kids had to be ostracized for so long for not being content with just having their room and board paid for. And I don't want to hear fans complain about when they were in school, they were broke, no one cares! You were a nobody, no one paid to watch you take a test or go to a lab. I haven't seen 100k+ watch a kid take an exam, message boards weren't created over a girl in a philosophy class, every fan of college sports should've wanted this. Not sure how any adult can be against any other adult earning an income for his or her services.
 
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Globalization, increasing pressure to lower the cost of education, rapid advancement in online education modalities, and disciplinary-focused certification is reshaping tertiary education and detrimentally affecting the financial stability of universities. Universities cannot subsidise minor league sports, which already cannot pay their own way.

However, this goes forward, the eventual outcome here will be the end of college sports as we know it. I really think the events of the last few years will be viewed with great sadness by college football fans in the future.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Idk how anyone could be against the athletes earning a paycheck, for doing the same thing the guys on Sundays do. But are for coaches making millions off of the blood, sweat and tears of those players, and even more behind schools and conferences earning billions off of the same players. Day just got a $50k bonus based off of the PLAYERS having a 3.25 GPA, how does the coach get a bonus when the kids are taking the tests and completing the homework!?! Networks have no problem paying conferences billions, but get up in arms when the players who drive all of this, expect a cut. This is LONG overdue, and is a shame that kids had to be ostracized for so long for not being content with just having their room and board paid for. And I don't want to hear fans complain about when they were in school, they were broke, no one cares! You were a nobody, no one paid to watch you take a test or go to a lab. I haven't seen 100k+ watch a kid take an exam, message boards weren't created over a girl in a philosophy class, every fan of college sports should've wanted this. Not sure how any adult can be against any other adult earning an income for his or her services.
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The problem is this is good for Football, Basketball, Maybe some baseball teams. However it's potentially dire for the non-revenue sports Rowing, Pistol, maybe even gymnastics and track.

And there is lawyers that chasing these kids saying you should get billions in damages. There are already Lawsuits that are saying we aren't part of that settlement we want our pound of flesh too. The way the courts are leaning the NCAA will lose. So if everyone keeps wanting more and more more and there is no compromise. The kids of this gen might get it very well but they may leave nothing left for the kids after them. I know taking less for the sake of the longterm is probably not very high on peoples list of things. Especially after getting nothing for years and the courts signaling sue and you will get paid. But there is real risk if they can't get the suits under control of the whole thing crashing and burning.
 
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As public university employees, Buckeye salaries will be public knowledge. Private universities are under no such legal obligation AFAIK, so it is incumbent upon the NCAA, if they still exist when this comes into effect, to enact a hard and fast rule that ALL student athlete payments must be public knowledge. As long as public universities are playing this game with their cards face up; allowing private universities to play the game with their cards face down (and with an extra deck if they like) would render all rules basically pointless
 
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I’ve seen a lot of talk on YouTube about the inclusion of other sports in revenue sharing

I think people need to keep in mind that it is called revenue sharing.

If a sport creates no net revenue, what is there to share? This becomes unworkable in a thousand ways the instant you take the revenue that football brings in and start spreading it to sports that bring in red ink.

Everyone has a different definition of fairness; anytime you start sharing revenue, someone is going to get their feelings hurt. But it’s time for the adults to take a hand and realize that the only way this works is if you tell the non-revenue generators to be grateful for their scholarships because that is handsome compensation for what they do and is far more compensation than anyone else will ever give them for the rest of their lives for playing their sport.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
I’ve seen a lot of talk on YouTube about the inclusion of other sports in revenue sharing

I think people need to keep in mind that it is called revenue sharing.

If a sport creates no net revenue, what is there to share? This becomes unworkable in a thousand ways the instant you take the revenue that football brings in and start spreading it to sports that bring in red ink.

Everyone has a different definition of fairness; anytime you start sharing revenue, someone is going to get their feelings hurt. But it’s time for the adults to take a hand and realize that the only way this works is if you tell the non-revenue generators to be grateful for their scholarships because that is handsome compensation for what they do and is far more compensation than anyone else will ever give them for the rest of their lives for playing their sport.
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And the overwhelming number of football programs don't turn a profit either. Is Fredo et al going to soak their students and the academic side even more to pay out 22% of revenue? Fredo had a $40M athletic budget with $26M subsidized. Does the subsidy count as revenue? If we're talking revenue sharing (and not profit sharing) that means they need to come up with 8.8M for the athletes. That's a further "student fee" of $550 going straight into the pockets of other students. Wonder how that'll play with prospective students and their parents.
 
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Ord points out the underlying problem that I mentioned in summary. The issue cannot be revenue sharing but rather profit-sharing. It would seem that many universities will be dropping out of such arrangements by discontinuing sports.

Make no mistake. The landscape is going to be altered in ways not intended and irreversibly.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
I’ve seen a lot of talk on YouTube about the inclusion of other sports in revenue sharing

I think people need to keep in mind that it is called revenue sharing.

If a sport creates no net revenue, what is there to share? This becomes unworkable in a thousand ways the instant you take the revenue that football brings in and start spreading it to sports that bring in red ink.

Everyone has a different definition of fairness; anytime you start sharing revenue, someone is going to get their feelings hurt. But it’s time for the adults to take a hand and realize that the only way this works is if you tell the non-revenue generators to be grateful for their scholarships because that is handsome compensation for what they do and is far more compensation than anyone else will ever give them for the rest of their lives for playing their sport.
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Everyone in the entire equation is an adult. If you’re a kid who competes in synchronized swimming, or has a child that competes in fencing or volleyball, then they should know how many people are attending their games and what kind of money theyre bringing in. It will be a hard conversation, but so is the conversation that an employee has with their employer when their position is being cut due to a merger or it’s no longer in the budget. We’re not dealing with kids, they’re young adults, and sports isn’t fair. The same football players we follow for years will have some type of envy on the salaries of their classmates who played baseball or basketball. It happens
 
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