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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

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Re: Athletes would receive as much as a fifth full year of institutional financial aid if they haven't graduated yet, assuming they are not academically ineligible or did not violate the university's student disciplinary policy. If an athletic scholarship is not renewed for a reason other than ineligibility or discipline, the university would have to provide an equivalent scholarship for up to five years.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-1st-city-with-college-athlete-bill-of-rights

With his constant "over-signing of scholarships" Saban could literally bankrupt the University of Alabama on that one.

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jlb1705 said:
College athletics is a gravy train, and the movement to increase compensation for student-athletes is becoming a gravy train in its own right.

That stunt will do absolutely nothing to help student-athletes, but it's gonna get clicks for websites and some national name recognition for a local politician.
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I keep seeing this theme, "getting paid to play," "gravy train," "free ride …" Bull shit. I teach freshman English and have jocks and jockettes in my classes each semester. They work hard to meet the demands of my class and the demands of year round training over and above their season. It's a job, a full time job. I cut them no slack in my assignments and I doubt seriously that other teachers do. These kids get up at zero dark early in all kinds of weather to run. They take my classes at 8 and 9:25 so that they can be at practice by 3. They practice for two hours and then hit the weight room. they are off campus for entire weekends to compete. Yeah, games are fun, but games represent less than 10% of being a college athlete.

There are no revenue sports at NKU and we're way down the list for schools competing for 1 star athletes and so I don't see the coaches taking risks on kids of questionable academic skills. The monitoring and follow up with faculty is excellent and responsive. In my nine years here I've had only one "problem" child and when I gave him an F based on attendance, failure to turn work in on time, or to follow directions, I did not receive any flak from administration.

The rest of my student athletes have been great students, taken responsibility for missed classes, asked what they need to do in advance - in short all that you expect from a future leader.

And yes, I'm the guy that thinks that college athletics should be done away with, but not because I think kids are getting away with being paid to play.
 
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cincibuck said:
I keep seeing this theme, "getting paid to play," "gravy train," "free ride …" Bull [Mark May]. I teach freshman English and have jocks and jockettes in my classes each semester. They work hard to meet the demands of my class and the demands of year round training over and above their season. It's a job, a full time job. I cut them no slack in my assignments and I doubt seriously that other teachers do. These kids get up at zero dark early in all kinds of weather to run. They take my classes at 8 and 9:25 so that they can be at practice by 3. They practice for two hours and then hit the weight room. they are off campus for entire weekends to compete. Yeah, games are fun, but games represent less than 10% of being a college athlete.

There are no revenue sports at NKU and we're way down the list for schools competing for 1 star athletes and so I don't see the coaches taking risks on kids of questionable academic skills. The monitoring and follow up with faculty is excellent and responsive. In my nine years here I've had only one "problem" child and when I gave him an F based on attendance, failure to turn work in on time, or to follow directions, I did not receive any flak from administration.

The rest of my student athletes have been great students, taken responsibility for missed classes, asked what they need to do in advance - in short all that you expect from a future leader.

And yes, I'm the guy that thinks that college athletics should be done away with, but not because I think kids are getting away with being paid to play.
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I meant a gravy train for institutions.

The hypocrisy of the lawyers, unions, no-name politicians and journalists taking up this issue is staggering - as if they aren't trying turn a buck or advance their standing on the backs of these kids just like the universities do.
 
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cincibuck said:
I keep seeing this theme, "getting paid to play," "gravy train," "free ride …" Bull [Mark May].
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I think I understand at least part of your argument. That scholarship athletes generally work very hard and it would therefore be unfair and inaccurate to say they have it easy. But what does it mean that "getting paid to play" is bullshit? That the observation that scholarship athletes generally work hard in your class means they don't currently get paid to play, or that it is illegitimate for someone to believe they should not get paid more?
 
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zincfinger said:
I think I understand at least part of your argument. That scholarship athletes generally work very hard and it would therefore be unfair and inaccurate to say they have it easy. But what does it mean that "getting paid to play" is bull[Mark May]? That the observation that scholarship athletes generally work hard in your class means they don't currently get paid to play, or that it is illegitimate for someone to believe they should not get paid more?
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As I read some comments I get the impression that some think an athlete gets to play in exchange for their education. The most obvious are high profile players in high profile programs. The last two heisman winners come to mind... My experience with kids I coached who went on to college athletics and the kids I have taught at NKU and Miami tells me that college sports are work, hard work and that you must be gifted academically also to make it a worthwhile exchange. There is little to no ement of "play" involved.
 
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2 things 1. anything that detracts from the "spirit" of college football is bad , and this detracts. 2. If the Universities came out now and said they will pay the athletes but raise ticket prices $20. would you still be in favor of it, if you are now? What if they said they would stop every other sport men's and women's that cannot pay for itself?
 
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cincibuck said:
As I read some comments I get the impression that some think an athlete gets to play in exchange for their education. The most obvious are high profile players in high profile programs. The last two heisman winners come to mind... My experience with kids I coached who went on to college athletics and the kids I have taught at NKU and Miami tells me that college sports are work, hard work and that you must be gifted academically also to make it a worthwhile exchange. There is little to no ement of "play" involved.
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I'm still not sure I understand your argument here, but a few thoughts:
1) I'm pretty sure the phrase "getting paid to play" refers to scholarship athletes receiving financial compensation in exchange for their participation in a sport. Which they do.
2) This discussion is about whether they should receive more financial compensation than they currently do, and is probably only relevant to profit-generating sports (i.e. football and men's basketball at big-program schools).
3) The question of whether the financial compensation currently paid to big-program football players is "worthwhile" to them, while subjective, goes to the crux of whether they should be paid more. It does not change the fact that they are currently paid.
4) While it may be your personal experience that many or most scholarship athletes are academically gifted, I am, to put it mildly, skeptical of the notion that an appreciable proportion of scholarship football players at major D-1A programs are academically gifted. And that really is the group we're talking about here.
5) I don't get the impression that anyone here is disputing that scholarship athletes generally have a formidable load and work hard. Or that members of the women's crew team should have their scholarships pulled or shouldn't be applauded for negotiating that formidable load. Instead, I think the views some are expressing are that big-program football players already receive a considerable amount of compensation (not just tuition waivers) and, while they have a very demanding schedule, probably shouldn't receive more compensation than they currently do.

I know you've already agreed with some of those thoughts, I'm just trying to describe what it is I think we're talking about here.
 
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cincibuck said:
I keep seeing this theme, "getting paid to play," "gravy train," "free ride …" Bull [Mark May]. I teach freshman English and have jocks and jockettes in my classes each semester. They work hard to meet the demands of my class and the demands of year round training over and above their season. It's a job, a full time job. I cut them no slack in my assignments and I doubt seriously that other teachers do. These kids get up at zero dark early in all kinds of weather to run. They take my classes at 8 and 9:25 so that they can be at practice by 3. They practice for two hours and then hit the weight room. they are off campus for entire weekends to compete. Yeah, games are fun, but games represent less than 10% of being a college athlete.

There are no revenue sports at NKU and we're way down the list for schools competing for 1 star athletes and so I don't see the coaches taking risks on kids of questionable academic skills. The monitoring and follow up with faculty is excellent and responsive. In my nine years here I've had only one "problem" child and when I gave him an F based on attendance, failure to turn work in on time, or to follow directions, I did not receive any flak from administration.

The rest of my student athletes have been great students, taken responsibility for missed classes, asked what they need to do in advance - in short all that you expect from a future leader.

And yes, I'm the guy that thinks that college athletics should be done away with, but not because I think kids are getting away with being paid to play.
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No offense, but those athletes are not the ones who most are talking about. The kids at your university are for the most part hard workers that are using athletics as a way to get a degree. You know, the type of kids the system was designed for. They are a lot of the time using hard work to overcome hardships (can't get academic scholarship or can't pay for school) or they are doing it as a way to not take out loans. The university is giving them that option and losing money because of it. They are getting their degree as payment for hard work and will be better people because of it. Better people than the average graduate. They make 30k+ a year in assistance for their full time job. Is that not enough? I worked a full time job my last year of college. 40 hours a week. Made 27k salary (4 years ago) Sounds like they are getting a fair deal. The kids that are the ones whining are the ones going to the NFL that see that big pile of money, don't care to learn anything and just can't wait to GET PAID!
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
No offense, but those athletes are not the ones who most are talking about. The kids at your university are for the most part hard workers that are using athletics as a way to get a degree. You know, the type of kids the system was designed for. They are a lot of the time using hard work to overcome hardships (can't get academic scholarship or can't pay for school) or they are doing it as a way to not take out loans. The university is giving them that option and losing money because of it. They are getting their degree as payment for hard work and will be better people because of it. Better people than the average graduate. They make 30k+ a year in assistance for their full time job. Is that not enough? I worked a full time job my last year of college. 40 hours a week. Made 27k salary (4 years ago) Sounds like they are getting a fair deal. The kids that are the ones whining are the ones going to the NFL that see that big pile of money, don't care to learn anything and just can't wait to GET PAID!
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You took the words right out of my mouth... ...and straightened them out until they made sense. Thanks.

NKU runs a clean program because they aren't in a position to run a bad one. I wish two things, first, that there were a comparable number of full ride scholarships for kids who earn it in the classroom as there is for those who earn it on the field. And second, that those programs be as well monitored academically as the NKU athletic scholars.
 
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Bowlsby says Big 12 already discussing what to do with increased autonomy
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The NCAA-endorsed proposal to provide increased autonomy to the members of the five power conferences will be put to a vote in August, and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby says his conference is already discussing what to do with the extra power once it is provided. Bowlsby says the Big 12, as well as the other power conferences — the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC — are shifting conference discussions to mapping out how to handle the extra benefits to student-athletes that will be allowed under the new rules and guidelines.

“Fast-forwarding is exactly what we’re doing,” Bowlsby told USA Today. “We want to make sure that when the enabling legislation is put in place, that we are prepared not only to articulate but act upon an agenda that will be reflective of a new covenant with our student-athletes.”

The NCAA endorsed a proposal for increased autonomy in April that would provide power to the biggest conferences to play by a separate set of rules with regard to what members can provide to student-athletes. The proposal was made with support across all levels of collegiate athletics, although there are some who oppose the reform measure. Boise State president Bob Kustra has been one of the more vocal representatives speaking out against the autonomy proposal, while the Pac-12 has spearheaded an attempt to build momentum to approve the proposal. The proposal must receive a two-thirds vote from the 65 members schools in the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC in order to pass.

Entire article: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-conference-commissioner-bob-bowlsby/9439581/

The question is rapidly changing from "Should they be paid?" to "How much will we pay them?"
 
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