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And that's the worrisome thing. The NCAA has taken it to such an extreme degree, that eventually they will lose... and the whole system will come tumbling down.
Better to compromise and handle things in-house than take a beatdown from Supreme Court, which could jeopardize the entire system, or end up having to deal with corrupt Unions that will cannibalize the whole thing. Yea they don't want any dues now... cuz they see the huge profits of thousands of athletes paying dues 10 years from now.
But the NCAA leaves anyone little else choice. No matter how you look at it, the millions that Universities are making hand over foot is disproportionate to what the students receive in exchange. It's not an equitable situation that is sustainable.
So if a court ruled against their position... they would just not show up? They'd just ignore whatever happens with their heads in the sand?
That's a quick way to find yourself in more legal trouble.
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I'm not a lawyer, I'm in business.
If a business doesn't want a union shop they can pretty much ensure they won't have one. Especially in right to work states like Florida.
I have a hard time picturing the players "union" getting past the point where the member school makes it clear that the individual athlete has to choose between a scholarship and being in the "union".
If they do somehow get this thing created then , yes, obviously the rules of collective bargaining come into play. I'm just saying I think the schools are smart and resourceful enough to head off the CFB players union at the pass and it will never come into being.
If a business doesn't want a union shop they can pretty much ensure they won't have one. Especially in right to work states like Florida.
I have a hard time picturing the players "union" getting past the point where the member school makes it clear that the individual athlete has to choose between a scholarship and being in the "union".
If they do somehow get this thing created then , yes, obviously the rules of collective bargaining come into play. I'm just saying I think the schools are smart and resourceful enough to head off the CFB players union at the pass and it will never come into being.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Union falls flat on its face... and part of me kind of hopes it does just to keep those orgs out of the issue... but if Northwestern decides it's in their interests** to grant them a Union... what then? Is the NCAA going to kick Northwestern out of DIA? I expect that's what they would threaten, but I'm not sure they can pull it off effectively. What happens if 3, 4, 5 other prominent schools join in?
**I don't know where Northwestern stands on the New Division concept, but if somebody wanted to force the issue... this is a hell of a way to do it.
**I don't know where Northwestern stands on the New Division concept, but if somebody wanted to force the issue... this is a hell of a way to do it.
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Then there is a problem I guess.
I can't really fathom any reason the schools would decide it's in their best interest though so I'm not really worried about it.
This isn't the first time there has been college player union talk.
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For now there are no dues. Undoubtedly the Union sees the opportunity for a massive cash cow 5-10 years down the road.
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
There are a gazillion reasons that a union of CFB players won't work, but if it leads to some other way of protecting players and addressing some inequities, then it can be a good thing in the end.
Any big money operation is going to have casualties. I don't like to hear that a player has been thrown away because he didn't pan out or got hurt. Something can be done about that without unionization. Still, the free market provides a pretty good solution: don't sign with a coach/school who throws players away - and you won't get thrown away, and the coach/school who does do that will lose players and will be incentivised to stop doing that.
Modern unions are a derivative of 19th century widespread worker exploitation. We now have the EEOC, OSHA, minimum wage laws, BWC, and labor laws out the wazoo - all designed to protect workers. It's ironic to me that the group of people who foam at the mouth in support of an archaic 19th century concept being applied to any entity in 2014 call themselves "progressives".
Any big money operation is going to have casualties. I don't like to hear that a player has been thrown away because he didn't pan out or got hurt. Something can be done about that without unionization. Still, the free market provides a pretty good solution: don't sign with a coach/school who throws players away - and you won't get thrown away, and the coach/school who does do that will lose players and will be incentivised to stop doing that.
Modern unions are a derivative of 19th century widespread worker exploitation. We now have the EEOC, OSHA, minimum wage laws, BWC, and labor laws out the wazoo - all designed to protect workers. It's ironic to me that the group of people who foam at the mouth in support of an archaic 19th century concept being applied to any entity in 2014 call themselves "progressives".
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Re: As a general rule, no employee, whether in the private or public sector, can legally be required to join a union and pay full union dues. Yet, in many states, an employee can be forced to pay certain union dues or be fired.
Just wondering how the differences in each state's "Right To Work" laws would play out with this (proposed) union.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Discussions that compare the organization being put together by Kain Colter et al with the AFL-CIO or Teamsters Union are ridiculous, whether those comparisons are made by the unions themselves or by pundits.
We're not talking a union that conforms to the usual labor union model here. The players are simply organizing to gain more influence, more security and perhaps some share of the massive revenues generated by college football. Very different kettle of fish, and one that I think has a good chance of succeeding via litigation against the NCAA. I don't think the courts will look kindly upon the current circumstances as they're dictated by the NCAA and its toadies. I applaud the young men's efforts here, even as I agree with the comments above regarding the fact that the present-day relevance and desirability of organized labor is pretty much zero.
We're not talking a union that conforms to the usual labor union model here. The players are simply organizing to gain more influence, more security and perhaps some share of the massive revenues generated by college football. Very different kettle of fish, and one that I think has a good chance of succeeding via litigation against the NCAA. I don't think the courts will look kindly upon the current circumstances as they're dictated by the NCAA and its toadies. I applaud the young men's efforts here, even as I agree with the comments above regarding the fact that the present-day relevance and desirability of organized labor is pretty much zero.
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Is Illinois one of those states? Not to make this political, but given the history of the state I'd have to say yes, but I don't know.
Unless they make it a federal union and that won't happen, I don't think the NLRB could force such a decision in Right To Work states.
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Anytime somebody references "the free market", it's a lesson in futility I think. Economics strikes me as being 99% bs in -> bs out. The idea that there is a "market" that acts the way I learned in economics class is laughable. From the first lecture about Supply and Demand, it was obviously bs.
The basics of any sound economic theory will have to be found in Psychology. Psychology dictates people will keep going to places like 'Bama... and indeed, that is what we see happening.
You can make the argument that those players (their families, and the advisers in their life) should've done their due diligence better, but the idea that there will be a "market correction"... never going to happen.
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So, now that the court has ruled in favor of the Northwestern players (i.e., are employees, can unionize), is this the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it?
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