SG Jon Diebler (2nd-Most Big Ten career 3-Pointers, Butler Recruiting Director)

[GrizzlyBuck]

I agree, Jon will have a fine career at tOSU. He is too heady of a player and has too many offensive skills for him not to come out of this slump. He is adjusting to the speed and athetecism of the opposition.

Keep shooting Jon and keep your head up.

 

[Steve19]

This kid had a "Pistol Pete Maravich"-like high school career in an area with a lot of rural charm and not much big city competition.

Knowing intellectually that it will be much different to play for a top university like Ohio State is one thing. Knowing it emotionally is another.

I think the game will slow down for him and the basket will get bigger. He just needs to find his confidence and adjust emotionally. Maturity comes with time, experience, and good coaching. He has all those things. Matta is wise to take him out of the starting line-up and get him out of the self-imposed pressure-cooker.

I agree with Grad21, he'll be fine.

 

[Mike80]

Hopefully everyone still remembers those 3s he hit from friggin Indianapolis against UNC.

The guy has the skill. Give him a chance to adjust. Remember last year at this time, Conley was still finding his way and Oden hadn't even showed up yet. Last year's team had guys like Lewis and Harris as well as Butler who could more or less drag this team through it's learning moments. No so this year, Butler is still there, but he has no where near the experience around him.

Look they won't be nearly as dominant at the end of this year as last year's team was, but last year's team had 3 legit NBA players on it coming out of high school. And Lighty might have been #4 as well. This year the group coming out of high school isn't nearly as hyped nor do they have a game that is as mature as last year's.

Patience everyone.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Player who also struggled early on as a Frosh...Brayden Bell and now he is the 8th man for Utah State.

 

[PennBuckFan]

Some kids get through the transition easier than others...Jon will be fine.

This is what I want to know...what are you basing this on? I mean I can say things like, some kids never adjust to the college game...Eric Wallace will become Michael Jordan. There has to be some basis for the logic.

For example, I dont believe that you can say "Jon will be fine" and assert it as a fact. Theres no logic behind it and every kid is different. However, lets include some logic, even though I believe you can compare kids this way. Jon played in a DII rural league. His brother Jake also played in this league, he averaged roughly 20 points per game his senior year of high school. He also holds state records in career assists and steals and assists/steals for a single season. However, he now plays at valpo and although his minutes per game are in the 30's he only averages 5 ppg and 3 assists as well as over a turnover a game. Hmm, so Jon's brother, who played on the same team and had the same coach, isnt near as productive as he was in highschool...while playing for valparaiso against teams like FPWIC (whatever that is). So to me, based on the fact that the most similar player to him is a role player on a mid major team who had gaudy high school numbers,but seems unable to produce in college, should suggest that one cannot make the statement "Jon will be fine" with any certainty.

Also, saying "so and so struggled his freshman year too and hes great" is worthless. Michael Jordan didnt make his varsity baksetball team the first time he tried out, that bares no correlation at all to anyone else who doesnt make their team. Like when Homer day rolled around and you had to choose what player to be the most homer over did everyone choose jon diebler? I dont get it and I really wouldnt be surprised if his minutes kept getting chipped away and maybe given to wallace.

 

[osugrad21]

This is what I want to know...what are you basing this on? I mean I can say things like, some kids never adjust to the college game...Eric Wallace will become Michael Jordan. There has to be some basis for the logic.

For example, I dont believe that you can say "Jon will be fine" and assert it as a fact. Theres no logic behind it and every kid is different. However, lets include some logic, even though I believe you can compare kids this way. Jon played in a DII rural league. His brother Jake also played in this league, he averaged roughly 20 points per game his senior year of high school. He also holds state records in career assists and steals and assists/steals for a single season. However, he now plays at valpo and although his minutes per game are in the 30's he only averages 5 ppg and 3 assists as well as over a turnover a game. Hmm, so Jon's brother, who played on the same team and had the same coach, isnt near as productive as he was in highschool...while playing for valparaiso against teams like FPWIC (whatever that is). So to me, based on the fact that the most similar player to him is a role player on a mid major team who had gaudy high school numbers,but seems unable to produce in college, should suggest that one cannot make the statement "Jon will be fine" with any certainty.

Also, saying "so and so struggled his freshman year too and hes great" is worthless. Michael Jordan didnt make his varsity baksetball team the first time he tried out, that bares no correlation at all to anyone else who doesnt make their team. Like when Homer day rolled around and you had to choose what player to be the most homer over did everyone choose jon diebler? I dont get it and I really wouldnt be surprised if his minutes kept getting chipped away and maybe given to wallace.

I guess I would ask you the same question...how do you know he will not? I did not realize I was stating a fact nor did I present it as a given. I figured most here had the basic intelligence to understand it was an opinion and a cordial show of support. Next time, I will surely state such as an opinion for our obviously more remedial readers.

Diebs must have beat up your kid or something...your obsession with him is disturbing.

 

[BuckNutty]

This is what I want to know...what are you basing this on? I mean I can say things like, some kids never adjust to the college game...Eric Wallace will become Michael Jordan. There has to be some basis for the logic.

For example, I dont believe that you can say "Jon will be fine" and assert it as a fact. Theres no logic behind it and every kid is different. However, lets include some logic, even though I believe you can compare kids this way. Jon played in a DII rural league. His brother Jake also played in this league, he averaged roughly 20 points per game his senior year of high school. He also holds state records in career assists and steals and assists/steals for a single season. However, he now plays at valpo and although his minutes per game are in the 30's he only averages 5 ppg and 3 assists as well as over a turnover a game. Hmm, so Jon's brother, who played on the same team and had the same coach, isnt near as productive as he was in highschool...while playing for valparaiso against teams like FPWIC (whatever that is). So to me, based on the fact that the most similar player to him is a role player on a mid major team who had gaudy high school numbers,but seems unable to produce in college, should suggest that one cannot make the statement "Jon will be fine" with any certainty.

Also, saying "so and so struggled his freshman year too and hes great" is worthless. Michael Jordan didnt make his varsity baksetball team the first time he tried out, that bares no correlation at all to anyone else who doesnt make their team. Like when Homer day rolled around and you had to choose what player to be the most homer over did everyone choose jon diebler? I dont get it and I really wouldnt be surprised if his minutes kept getting chipped away and maybe given to wallace.

Are college hoops narrower than high school ones?

 

[Brutus1]

Shoots only 4.5 shots a game.
4Th on team in rebounds.
2nd on team in assists.
Has the least amount of turnovers of all the starters.
Leads the team in steals.
Just named Horizon League Scholar/athlete of the week.

Oh, and Valpo is 9-1.

You're right, Jake Deibler is doing nothing.


Alot of kids average 19 pts a game in high school
Very few average 41 pts a game.


The career leader in points for the state with the majority coming from the outside. If he was a 7 footer playing against 6'5" guys in high school and getting all his points inside, then your argument may have some merit. But he's not and it isn't. Eventually, he'll get to the point where he's consistent.

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Diebs must have beat up your kid or something...your obsession with him is disturbing.

It is just my opinion that Diebler will have a good career at tOSU......I am in agreement with Grad that some kids transition faster than others....give him some time.

 

[bkochmc]

I'm a little young to remember his early years at Ohio State but I have read there are many similarities to Jay Burson... both are from "smaller" high schools (if you consider D-II schools small), both were dominant scorers in high school. My question to the more... experienced on the board: Did Jay struggle the beginning of his freshman year? I saw some stats that showed he "only" averaged around 5ppg with about the same amount of minutes as Diebler. Seems to me that Jay ended up being a pretty good player for the Bucks.

I understand Jay's experiences and development have no influence on Jon's development, just thought that the parallel is interesting.

 

[PennBuckFan]

Shoots only 4.5 shots a game.
4Th on team in rebounds.
2nd on team in assists.
Has the least amount of turnovers of all the starters.
Leads the team in steals.
Just named Horizon League Scholar/athlete of the week.

Oh, and Valpo is 9-1.

You're right, Jake Deibler is doing nothing.


Alot of kids average 19 pts a game in high school
Very few average 41 pts a game.


The career leader in points for the state with the majority coming from the outside. If he was a 7 footer playing against 6'5" guys in high school and getting all his points inside, then your argument may have some merit. But he's not and it isn't. Eventually, he'll get to the point where he's consistent.

woah...as a junior he is 2nd on valpo in assists and Valpo has beaten some great teams.

Detroit
Grace College
Evansville
Wright State
Austin Peay
IFPW
They beat Maryland.......Eastern Shore

But youre right, the career assist leader in Ohio basketball should be 2nd on his valparaiso team. Thats my point, if Jon Diebler had gone to Valpo, by his junior year he probably would be their second leading scorer and they probably would dominate Grace College.

All-time ohio numbers translate into average success at valpo.

Also, again, people dont know history. Burson played only 18 minutes a game his freshman year and shot 54% from the field...JD is shooting 20%. Also you have to remember his low ppg was partly because there was no three point line or shot clock. He shot in the mid 40 percentile from 3 the next year. Look at the players people on here are comparing JD too, Pete Marovich? huh? If he's pistol pete, dallas lauderdale is wilt chamberlain and Matt Terwilliger is George Mikan.

People on here spend so much time making excused for him that they arent realizing that there are other players who are playing very good. Look at game summaries from the last game. Someone actually said Diebler produces very well, 3 assists in 13 minutes.........Come on, get over it. Im sick of hearing he plays so well in the offense....are you kidding me. He has one basket all season that wasnt on a fast break or a 3. 1. One basket within the offense. Thats it. and people talk about the UNC game, he shot 35% from 3. Remember Daequan Cook, he averaged 42% from 3 for the season and people on here bashed him like crazy. So JD is a superstar for shooting 7% less in his best game than the guy you bashed last year for the entire year. Also Ivan Harris shot 4 for 8 from 3 against UNC last year, Diebler 5 for 14...

Just stop it, stop with the highschool stuff and the fanboy love. Stop trying to compare him to all time greats and say things like "well Jordan shot bad in a game as a freshman and look how he turned out." Seriously, take it for what it is. Right now he's a shooting guard shooting 15% from 3, whose taken 45 of them. Hes shooting 20% for field goals, hes never had more than 5 rebounds or 3 assists in a game. And you bash ET for 5 turnovers last game, when he had incidents like JB falling down on fast breaks, and you say Diebler is a good ball handler after 6 turnovers against Butler. Seriously they just took the ball from him. At least ET's turnovers were primarily on passes, not guys just picking his pocket. Seriously, hes a kid who isnt producing thats it. You cant say "hes going to snap out of it, hes so smart." Was Justin Zwick that dumb? Didnt he have a lot of records? Did he ever snap out of it? And youll say, well he had a heisman player behind him. Ive got news for you, Buford and ET are future NBA players. No one knows how he will turn out, but there is a very real possibility he isnt in the starting lineup again till his senior year.

 

[Mike80]

woah...as a junior he is 2nd on valpo in assists and Valpo has beaten some great teams.

Detroit
Grace College
Evansville
Wright State
Austin Peay
IFPW
They beat Maryland.......Eastern Shore

But youre right, the career assist leader in Ohio basketball should be 2nd on his valparaiso team. Thats my point, if Jon Diebler had gone to Valpo, by his junior year he probably would be their second leading scorer and they probably would dominate Grace College.

All-time ohio numbers translate into average success at valpo.

Also, again, people dont know history. Burson played only 18 minutes a game his freshman year and shot 54% from the field...JD is shooting 20%. Also you have to remember his low ppg was partly because there was no three point line or shot clock. He shot in the mid 40 percentile from 3 the next year. Look at the players people on here are comparing JD too, Pete Marovich? huh? If he's pistol pete, dallas lauderdale is wilt chamberlain and Matt Terwilliger is George Mikan.

People on here spend so much time making excused for him that they arent realizing that there are other players who are playing very good. Look at game summaries from the last game. Someone actually said Diebler produces very well, 3 assists in 13 minutes.........Come on, get over it. Im sick of hearing he plays so well in the offense....are you kidding me. He has one basket all season that wasnt on a fast break or a 3. 1. One basket within the offense. Thats it. and people talk about the UNC game, he shot 35% from 3. Remember Daequan Cook, he averaged 42% from 3 for the season and people on here bashed him like crazy. So JD is a superstar for shooting 7% less in his best game than the guy you bashed last year for the entire year. Also Ivan Harris shot 4 for 8 from 3 against UNC last year, Diebler 5 for 14...

Just stop it, stop with the highschool stuff and the fanboy love. Stop trying to compare him to all time greats and say things like "well Jordan shot bad in a game as a freshman and look how he turned out." Seriously, take it for what it is. Right now he's a shooting guard shooting 15% from 3, whose taken 45 of them. Hes shooting 20% for field goals, hes never had more than 5 rebounds or 3 assists in a game. And you bash ET for 5 turnovers last game, when he had incidents like JB falling down on fast breaks, and you say Diebler is a good ball handler after 6 turnovers against Butler. Seriously they just took the ball from him. At least ET's turnovers were primarily on passes, not guys just picking his pocket. Seriously, hes a kid who isnt producing thats it. You cant say "hes going to snap out of it, hes so smart." Was Justin Zwick that dumb? Didnt he have a lot of records? Did he ever snap out of it? And youll say, well he had a heisman player behind him. Ive got news for you, Buford and ET are future NBA players. No one knows how he will turn out, but there is a very real possibility he isnt in the starting lineup again till his senior year.

Did Diebler steal your lunch money or something??

Seriously this man-crush you have on him is beyond pathetic.

 

[Wingate1217]

woah...as a junior he is 2nd on valpo in assists and Valpo has beaten some great teams.

Detroit
Grace College
Evansville
Wright State
Austin Peay
IFPW
They beat Maryland.......Eastern Shore

But youre right, the career assist leader in Ohio basketball should be 2nd on his valparaiso team. Thats my point, if Jon Diebler had gone to Valpo, by his junior year he probably would be their second leading scorer and they probably would dominate Grace College.

All-time ohio numbers translate into average success at valpo.

Also, again, people dont know history. Burson played only 18 minutes a game his freshman year and shot 54% from the field...JD is shooting 20%. Also you have to remember his low ppg was partly because there was no three point line or shot clock. He shot in the mid 40 percentile from 3 the next year. Look at the players people on here are comparing JD too, Pete Marovich? huh? If he's pistol pete, dallas lauderdale is wilt chamberlain and Matt Terwilliger is George Mikan.

People on here spend so much time making excused for him that they arent realizing that there are other players who are playing very good. Look at game summaries from the last game. Someone actually said Diebler produces very well, 3 assists in 13 minutes.........Come on, get over it. Im sick of hearing he plays so well in the offense....are you kidding me. He has one basket all season that wasnt on a fast break or a 3. 1. One basket within the offense. Thats it. and people talk about the UNC game, he shot 35% from 3. Remember Daequan Cook, he averaged 42% from 3 for the season and people on here bashed him like crazy. So JD is a superstar for shooting 7% less in his best game than the guy you bashed last year for the entire year. Also Ivan Harris shot 4 for 8 from 3 against UNC last year, Diebler 5 for 14...

Just stop it, stop with the highschool stuff and the fanboy love. Stop trying to compare him to all time greats and say things like "well Jordan shot bad in a game as a freshman and look how he turned out." Seriously, take it for what it is. Right now he's a shooting guard shooting 15% from 3, whose taken 45 of them. Hes shooting 20% for field goals, hes never had more than 5 rebounds or 3 assists in a game. And you bash ET for 5 turnovers last game, when he had incidents like JB falling down on fast breaks, and you say Diebler is a good ball handler after 6 turnovers against Butler. Seriously they just took the ball from him. At least ET's turnovers were primarily on passes, not guys just picking his pocket. Seriously, hes a kid who isnt producing thats it. You cant say "hes going to snap out of it, hes so smart." Was Justin Zwick that dumb? Didnt he have a lot of records? Did he ever snap out of it? And youll say, well he had a heisman player behind him. Ive got news for you, Buford and ET are future NBA players. No one knows how he will turn out, but there is a very real possibility he isnt in the starting lineup again till his senior year.

With that venom it is really easy to understand the rubies you now sport...:(

 

[OmahaBeef]

With that venom it is really easy to understand the rubies you now sport...:(

Objectively though I feel like you (I don't mean just you) should be able to see where he's coming from. We all want John to do well (at the UNC game, I was as happy for him as you can be for a single player) but you have to see where he's coming from with his arguments. Personally, I think his shot will come around, but I can not say that as a fact. The way I read what he's saying, is just that he wants people to acknowledge that we don't really know his shot will come around and that we (as a fan base, and specifically posters on this board) seem to cut John slack while getting on other players' cases. I don't think that his frustration is with John as much as with what he inteprets to be the view of some posters on this board--which he is completely entitled to voicing if he wishes (since he is doing so without excessive bad language, or anything like personal attacks etc.).

Being a good fan is not about being a blind fan and believing any dissent is cause for alarm. He is just interpreting what he sees.

Again, I think we all want the best for John and we all hope his shot comes around. I just don't think people need to get on PennBuckFan's case so much for speaking his mind.

 

[BengalsAndBucks]

woah...as a junior he is 2nd on valpo in assists and Valpo has beaten some great teams.

Detroit
Grace College
Evansville
Wright State
Austin Peay
IFPW
They beat Maryland.......Eastern Shore

But youre right, the career assist leader in Ohio basketball should be 2nd on his valparaiso team. Thats my point, if Jon Diebler had gone to Valpo, by his junior year he probably would be their second leading scorer and they probably would dominate Grace College.

All-time ohio numbers translate into average success at valpo.

Also, again, people dont know history. Burson played only 18 minutes a game his freshman year and shot 54% from the field...JD is shooting 20%. Also you have to remember his low ppg was partly because there was no three point line or shot clock. He shot in the mid 40 percentile from 3 the next year. Look at the players people on here are comparing JD too, Pete Marovich? huh? If he's pistol pete, dallas lauderdale is wilt chamberlain and Matt Terwilliger is George Mikan.

People on here spend so much time making excused for him that they arent realizing that there are other players who are playing very good. Look at game summaries from the last game. Someone actually said Diebler produces very well, 3 assists in 13 minutes.........Come on, get over it. Im sick of hearing he plays so well in the offense....are you kidding me. He has one basket all season that wasnt on a fast break or a 3. 1. One basket within the offense. Thats it. and people talk about the UNC game, he shot 35% from 3. Remember Daequan Cook, he averaged 42% from 3 for the season and people on here bashed him like crazy. So JD is a superstar for shooting 7% less in his best game than the guy you bashed last year for the entire year. Also Ivan Harris shot 4 for 8 from 3 against UNC last year, Diebler 5 for 14...

Just stop it, stop with the highschool stuff and the fanboy love. Stop trying to compare him to all time greats and say things like "well Jordan shot bad in a game as a freshman and look how he turned out." Seriously, take it for what it is. Right now he's a shooting guard shooting 15% from 3, whose taken 45 of them. Hes shooting 20% for field goals, hes never had more than 5 rebounds or 3 assists in a game. And you bash ET for 5 turnovers last game, when he had incidents like JB falling down on fast breaks, and you say Diebler is a good ball handler after 6 turnovers against Butler. Seriously they just took the ball from him. At least ET's turnovers were primarily on passes, not guys just picking his pocket. Seriously, hes a kid who isnt producing thats it. You cant say "hes going to snap out of it, hes so smart." Was Justin Zwick that dumb? Didnt he have a lot of records? Did he ever snap out of it? And youll say, well he had a heisman player behind him. Ive got news for you, Buford and ET are future NBA players. No one knows how he will turn out, but there is a very real possibility he isnt in the starting lineup again till his senior year.

Your right, right now Jon Diebler is just not producing. But to act like it is going to be this way for the rest of his career is just dumbfoundingly stupid. Fanboy love? Yeah sorry I am rooting for a Buckeye, who can be a great player, to get better. Next time I go to the Schott, I will be sure to boo Jon Diebler every single time he touches the ball, because I am confident that this is what will help get him out of his shooting slump and become a very productive member of the basketball team. In fact, I hope Diebler gets cut and goes to Valpo so he can be their second leading scorer as a senior. Thats what would really make me happy. I can't believe I was rooting for a member of Ohio State's basketball team to do well. Pathetic.

Seeing your vendetta against Diebler, I am going to assume one of two things: one, Diebler beat your team by 50 in high school, to which I say life goes on. Two, you know ET, and if you do, please pass along this message for me: while we appreciate all that you have done for the team this year, it may be beneficial for you to look to pass after you drive, because it is often open.

No one on BP has bashed anyone. Not ET, and certainly not Daquean Cook. I have said before, anyone who knows what Cook did for Ohio State basketball will be forever thankful for him coming here. I will be the first to admit that, at times, I am much more likely to critique a player than I am to praise him, and I should probably correct that, but I cannot recall ever bashing a player or being negative about a player.

Lets compare: I said ET was prone to traveling, which is a very valid observation, and something that he can work on to become better if for any reason he reads my post. You said that Diebler is a bad basketball player and we should just cut our losses and move on. Yet I am showing fanboy love to Diebler and bashing ET? Right.

Your using a whole bunch of statistics that mean a lot of jack shit. Ever heard of Shane Battier (DISCLAIMER: I am not comparing Jon Diebler to Shane Battier, just proving a point)? Stat line wont wow a single person. But there isn't a coach in the NBA who wouldn't love to have Shane Battier starting for their team, because of his defensive prowess, and high basketball IQ. I view Diebler as that kind of basketball player, except with a lot more offensive upside than Battier if that damn shot will just fall. I could be completely wrong. But I am not going to give up on a Buckeye because he had 6 bad games and 1 good one to start his college career.

Also, you bring up Diebler's brother. Why? How is he relevant AT ALL to our discussion on Jon Diebler, a member of the Ohio State basketball team? I know you obviously love any excuse to hate on the Diebler family, so you bringing him up in that regard is understandable, but seeing as how they are different people I dont think he is relevant to this discussion. I think Peyton Manning is a terrible football player, because Cooper couldn't play college ball- is what your trying to argue here, but everyone sees your blatant bashing of a player's family for no reason.

I think its time that you just move on.