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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

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xcrunner;1147447; said:
Didn't see this gem posted..
Coaches play, win leverage game (cont.) - Jonah Freedman - SI.com

I'm willing to accept that Nick Saban is creepier than him.
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An excerpt from that article:

3. Charlie Weis, Notre Dame. From the "If I knew I could get paid this much to fail, I'd be a billionaire" file: The architect of three Super Bowl-winning offenses under Bill Belichick, Weis famously took over his alma mater in '05 and was hailed as a messianic figure second only to Touchdown Jesus. Halfway into Weis' first season (in which the Fighting Irish finished 9-3), Notre Dame signed him to an enormous extension that runs through 2015. Last season, his team hit rock bottom: a 3-9 record, including being shut out twice and losing to Navy for the first time in 43 years.
Creep factor: 7

2. Rich Rodriguez, University of Michigan. There are messy divorces, and then there's the Rodriguez saga. After repeatedly claiming he wouldn't leave the Mountaineers, the West Virginia native agreed in December to become Lloyd Carr's successor at Michigan for a reported six-year, $15 million deal. Since Rodriguez left for Ann Arbor, WVU has filed suit against him, claiming breach of contract, and the university has also alleged recruiting and player files disappeared from his former office in Morgantown.
Creep factor: 8

1. Nick Saban, University of Alabama. Really, is there any coach on the planet who's better at this game? No one questions Saban's coaching credentials; the guy has turned every college program he's touched into a winner. Still, he's rubbed countless fans, players and trustees the wrong way during his head coaching stops at Toledo, Michigan State and LSU, then killed much of his credibility by adamantly denying he wasn't in the running for the Alabama job during his lackluster stint with the Miami Dolphins. Two weeks later, he was Mike Shula's replacement in Tuscaloosa with an eight-year, $32 million contract that made him the best-paid in college football.
Creep factor: 10
 
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What else would you expect Carr to say (he is still a Michigan Man)?


KIRTHMON F. DOZIER/Detroit Free Press

Chat with Lloyd Carr Part 1: Ex-U-M coach 'very, very confident' Rich Rodriguez will do 'great'

Former Michigan coach Lloyd Carr joined Bill Simonson on "The Huge Show" on Sunday to talk about retirement life, his coaching career. Part 1 of the highlights:

On Rich Rodriguez and the future of Michigan football:

Rich and I have had a very good relationship he has made it clear that I am welcome anytime I want to come over. And what I have told him is that I?m there if he needs me but I was not over for any of the practices in the spring because I don?t want to be a presence there, so I can?t tell you much about spring practice.

But I think the position as the head football coach, when you understand the tradition with Fielding Yost and Fritz Crisler, Bo Schembechler, you?re looking for a special guy. When that opening came, everybody here from president (Mary Sue) Coleman down understood the significance of that choice. And I?m very, very confident that Rich has all the abilities to fill that position and do a great job as a head coach and I think he will do that.

On if it was a surprise that Rich was available to come to Michigan from West Virginia:

I think (athletic director Bill Martin) ? the spread offense, offensively the style of play was something that he liked. If you look at Rich?s record at West Virginia, and despite being a head football coach for fifteen years, he?s a young guy. He?s going to coach for a long time. He is in the forefront of offensive football and I think it made a lot of sense.

On retirement:

There is a little bit more time as far as your family and an opportunity to reacquaint with some people who are very close. Coaching is such an intense life. You come right off a bowl game, you recruit for five weeks, you get ready for spring ball, then you go spring recruit again. I?m looking forward to doing some things that I didn?t have a chance to do when I was coaching. Its also the kind of life that takes awhile to adjust to. What I miss the most is the relationship with the players, coaches and people in the program.

I?ve got quite a number of grandchildren, most of them are living here within the community or at least within an hour?s drive. I?m certainly going to be able to do some things and watch some soccer games and little league baseball games and do those things there wasn?t time for before. I look forward to that. I think every coach is a little bit different. I think the real difference is they get jobs when they?re very young. In my case, I was 50 when I became the head coach at Michigan so my children were grown but I was in the beginning of having some grandchildren. It?s the just the nature of college coaching. I have to do some things with my grandchildren I missed out on.

On deciding when to leave:

Entire article: Chat with Lloyd Carr Part 1: Ex-U-M coach 'very, very confident' Rich Rodriguez will do 'great' | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Waiting opn Part 2.
 
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HailToMichigan;1148828; said:
Well, I'll tell you why that is, though it's probably more a post for the RR thread. We already did our program-soul-searching before Carr left and we knew what we wanted in a new coach when it came time. We wanted a proven coach that's had success in his previous jobs; one who would change the country-club atmosphere around the team and get rid of the general feeling of complacency and whip guys into shape; one who could recruit well; one who did not bring with him the cloud of recruiting and academic scandal; and one who would tilt the OSU game back in our favor. On all of the above: check, check, check, and check, and now we wait on see on the last one. We got what we wanted, and how spoiled and disingenuous would we sound if we then said, "Oh, but wait, we want him to make sure every last kid from last year stays on the team by not yelling too much, and we want him to make a perfectly clean amicable break from his previous job too." If the lesson to be learned here is caveat emptor, or else maybe "you get what you ask for" then so be it. We got what we wanted. What do we do now - try and get RR fired? Maybe RR is "at fault", but since this is the program we asked for, we want players who want to play in it. If we hadn't demanded such a program then it would be easier to point fingers at the coach - however, the coach deserves a little longer than a three month grace period. A trend of players leaving citing family values - that would give us (me) cause to think. One player doesn't make a trend.
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ya know, you used a lot of words to describe what you were looking for in a coach. though i did note you didn't use anything remotely close to the terms "integrity" "honor" or "tradition". in fact, if it didn't involve "winning" it obviously wasn't part of the criteria. as someone who is first and formost a teacher, that concerns me. yes, your very likely going to see an end to the country club atmosphere. and yes, your going to very likely see your players in peak physical condition. but i have to wonder if you will be happy with the manner in which it is accomplished.

while its possible boren is a whinny tubby lazy spot light craving punk kid. i have to think that if you truly believed that you'd be damn happy to be rid of such a parasite. being heavy 1 schollie would be icing on the cake.

but your not happy he's leaving, your damn right beside yourself pissed. thats why i don't believe your angry with boren. oh im positive that your deeply disappointed in him for leaving and more-so for him going to your nemesis. i know i would be. but that doesn't seem to be what is really eating at you. after all the alleged impropriety and assumed scandal, im thinking tucked deep down in the back of your mind that little voice saying "what if their right" is getting louder. your starting to wonder more and more seriously if this guy is the anti-lloyd in all the wrong ways. while your nowhere near the "dear god what have we done" stage, for the first time in all of this mess your starting to realize that is a real possibility here. that my friend, is what is upsetting you. boren has become the focus of the rage because he's convenient.
 
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martinss01;1150593; said:
ya know, you used a lot of words to describe what you were looking for in a coach. though i did note you didn't use anything remotely close to the terms "integrity" "honor" or "tradition". in fact, if it didn't involve "winning" it obviously wasn't part of the criteria.
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Winning is the tradition. There's a bunch of other stuff too, but RR is not going to replace the winged helmets or shrink the stadium by 20,000 seats.

Integrity and honor, I would have thought, go hand in hand with that whole "no scandal" business.

martinss01;1150593; said:
while its possible boren is a whinny tubby lazy spot light craving punk kid. i have to think that if you truly believed that you'd be damn happy to be rid of such a parasite.
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If I truly believed it I'd have said so.

I appreciate your efforts at a free psychology session, but I am not projecting my anger at RR onto the departed player. I think I have two very legit reasons to be disappointed at the choices the player made, both of which I've stated loud and clear. I have reason enough to be disappointed with RR at the way he's dealt with this buyout clause, but if I thought it was leaving some kind of indelible stain on the integrity and honor at the program at large, I wouldn't have spent so much breath defending the guy.
 
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Oh8ch;1150993; said:
I thought it fell under "ability to pull off a cover up".
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My favorite facebook group - and to anyone who has facebook (im guessing only college aged people):

I had straight A's until Rich Rod threw my transcripts in the shredder
 
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HailToMichigan;1150954; said:
Winning is the tradition. There's a bunch of other stuff too, but RR is not going to replace the winged helmets or shrink the stadium by 20,000 seats.

Integrity and honor, I would have thought, go hand in hand with that whole "no scandal" business.
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There is so much more to "tradition" than winning and items that you lump off as "a bunch of other stuff too" is trivializing. Saying DickWad is not going to replace the winged helmet or shrink the stadium by 20,000 seats is also trivializing what "tradition" is.

The winged helmet is a symbol of scUM football and the many years of tradition surrounding scUM football. There have been some great coaches throughout scUM football history that have built the tradition which is symbolized by that helmet.

These coaches, Bo for one, would have words such as honorable and integrity used to describe them as human beings, as men. Those attributes helped build the teams that then won the games. And those are attributes that should make one proud of their football team, their football coach, and their university.

They recruited and won because of having honor and integrity and helped build the bigger, much much bigger, definition of what tradition is.

Woody and Bo were honorable men with much integrity. They continued to add to the tradition of each program, each university. While both have been laid to rest in their graves, one is resting comfortably, peacefully, knowing that the tradition of his university is moving forward in all the right areas for all the right reasons, while the other is rolling over in his grave, maybe even spinning in his grave. And we all know which is which.
 
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HailToMichigan;1148828; said:
Well, I'll tell you why that is, though it's probably more a post for the RR thread. We already did our program-soul-searching before Carr left and we knew what we wanted in a new coach when it came time. We wanted a proven coach that's had success in his previous jobs; one who would change the country-club atmosphere around the team and get rid of the general feeling of complacency and whip guys into shape; one who could recruit well; one who did not bring with him the cloud of recruiting and academic scandal; and one who would tilt the OSU game back in our favor. On all of the above: check, check, check, and check, and now we wait on see on the last one. We got what we wanted, and how spoiled and disingenuous would we sound if we then said, "Oh, but wait, we want him to make sure every last kid from last year stays on the team by not yelling too much, and we want him to make a perfectly clean amicable break from his previous job too." If the lesson to be learned here is caveat emptor, or else maybe "you get what you ask for" then so be it. We got what we wanted. What do we do now - try and get RR fired? Maybe RR is "at fault", but since this is the program we asked for, we want players who want to play in it. If we hadn't demanded such a program then it would be easier to point fingers at the coach - however, the coach deserves a little longer than a three month grace period. A trend of players leaving citing family values - that would give us (me) cause to think. One player doesn't make a trend.
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Actually one player doesn't make a trend, but a handful of players do. As perplexing as this tranfer story has become with the he said-she said stuff. It is one thing for a coach to come in like John Wayne , guns a blazin, dropping F-bombs at players and so on is a bit much when you have'nt even developed somewhat of a relationship with the players you have just took over. I can understand some of the players saying to themselves and each other " Who the heck is this guy? ". Look RichRod really hasn't really accoplished a whole lot to begin with, maybe a couple winnning seasons. But as vocal and hard a** as he is said to be, he did not get the right results out of his players who fit his style of coaching. He has got this prolific spread type jugernaut of a Offense, so we've heard. Where has it gotten him? Even with the right players? South Florida took his Offense to the wood shed the last two seasons, and Dave Wandstat and his Pitt Panthers would have beaten RichRod by 20 if it hadn't had been for the worst officiated game ever on Saterday night football. My point is there is alot of media, and too too much attention drawn to a coach for wrong reasons, and to be questioning people wanting out of the Soap Opra? Com'on. I would be conscerend, and pissed. UM I think deserves better than that.
 
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