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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

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My review of this thread reveals the following consistent feelings (as expressed through our extensive Smiley Collection):

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What does it make me want to do? :smash:

What are HTM and everybody else doing? :bicker:

How do Michigan fans feel about losing their best returning lineman? :pissed:
How do we (& apparently the rest of CFB) view DickRod? :evil:
What do we think of UM's decision making in this hiring?:2004: :crazy:

What do Buckeye fans think of Justin Boren's decision to come back into the OSU fold? :bow: :groove: :beer: :p :scum4: :gobucks4: :biggrin::rofl::groove2:


Mili said it best: :oh::ho:lol.
 
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Bleed S & G;1150988; said:
So you're telling me (because you did that whole "check" thing) you think RR is full of integrity and honor?
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Definitely a question for the RR thread, but I feel obliged to provide an answer. I'll try to be up to the task, it's a big question. Yes, I think he is a man of integrity and honor. Here's why:

1) I am generally predisposed to think the better of people until proven otherwise, and I trust the judgment of the Michigan brass. So if Bill Martin and Lloyd Carr trusted him with the keys to the program, then so do I. I don't want to underemphasize this point. Rodriguez's snake oil must be powerful and potent stuff indeed if he hoodwinked the experienced men that had a hand in hiring him.

2) Consistency. Unlike certain other Big Ten coaches (TILLER) who out of one side of their mouth recruit your committed player and out of the other, lob grenades at other coaches for doing so, you know where RR stands on that. You know what kind of practice RR is going to run. I don't see players getting preferential treatment.

3) Scandals. Or the lack thereof. Try Googling "west virginia academic scandal." Or try "rich rodriguez academic scandal". The returns are about Florida State, or an issue with Governor Manchin's daughter. Rodriguez ran a clean program. West Virginia has not been in the news for academic issues. West Virginia has not been in the news for recruiting issues. I have never, ever seen anything of the sort regarding his program. I have every reason to believe RR follows the rules.

4) Comparisons. Dennis Franchione. Nick Saban. Bobby Petrino. Rick Neuheisel. Barry Switzer. Jackie Sherrill. George O'Leary. Florida State. SMU. Miami. Alabama. That's just off the top of my head. You know everything that comes to mind when you hear these names. College football and it's history are littered with these characters and programs, everywhere you look. But not WVU under Rodriguez.

Having hung out around here a while, I'm pretty well aware of all the warts on RR's record, so I don't much need them quoted at me. Buyouts, Pat Lazear, what have you. I don't think it overshadows a career of running clean, scandal-free programs. I don't think Rodriguez has done much to put himself above the general fray that is college football. Some of my defense of him has involved "everybody does it", like recruiting "committed" players and leaving before the bowl game. And it's true. It happens a lot. In a perfect world where coaches wear angel wings, it probably wouldn't happen, but it is not a perfect world, and it happens, and it doesn't make RR some kind of scumbag for doing it. However, I don't think there was a single coach that was available and qualified and wore shining armor and a halo. (Except maybe Schiano, who rose above the fray specifically by not taking the job and staying loyal to Rutgers.)

All these people criticizing Michigan for hiring Rodriguez....tell me: who, exactly, should the university have hired? Easy to criticize. Not so easy to fix.
 
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1. That's a pretty dangerous view. It works inside 1 group (Trust the coaches!), but doesn't work well when trying to prove a point. For instance...I say to an LSU fan that Barksdale is going to be a Buckeye because Nevada told me so and I trust him.

2. Consistency is only good when it's consistently good....not consistently awful. Carr was pretty consistent against Tressel.

3. This can be easily explained.......he was in WV. Who digs up scandalous stories over WVU?

4. I don't get it. :huh:

The answer to your last line is pretty easy. Not Rich Rodriguez. You don't need an alternative to point out that he's a dickweed.
 
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Tlangs;1151462; said:
I couldn't get past this line.....If you want people to read the entire post, you might want to delete the first section.
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A man of integrity and honor does not do things the way this human skidmark has since mid-December. I stopped reading right there.

*edit- a man of integrity and honor also doesn't dress like this guy. Seriously, everytime I see this dude in a sportscoat, it looks like he raided the local salvation army. He looks like a cheap used car salesman. You make millions, buy a decent fucking jacket.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1151469; said:
1. That's a pretty dangerous view. It works inside 1 group (Trust the coaches!), but doesn't work well when trying to prove a point. For instance...I say to an LSU fan that Barksdale is going to be a Buckeye because Nevada told me so and I trust him.

2. Consistency is only good when it's consistently good....not consistently awful. Carr was pretty consistent against Tressel.

3. This can be easily explained.......he was in WV. Who digs up scandalous stories over WVU?

4. I don't get it. :huh:

The answer to your last line is pretty easy. Not Rich Rodriguez. You don't need an alternative to point out that he's a dickweed.
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1. No offense to Nevada, but he is a poster on a message board. I don't know what his connections are, but it doesn't get any more "inside" than the AD and the retiring coach themselves. Bill Martin's job is to keep Michigan sports winning and clean. So I trust him to find someone who can do that.

2. I was talking about a consistent attitude.

3. Doesn't take much digging when the scandals break. If the NCAA announced they were penalizing WVU, no digging at all would be required. And if the NCAA can go to Starkville to punish Mississippi State, WVU is not out of reach. Hell, Morgantown isn't remote enough for West Virginia's soccer team to escape sanctions, so surely the football team is not out of the public eye. This doesn't hold water and you know it.

4. Alright, I'll break it down.

Dennis Franchione: Convinced all his players to give up their opportunity to transfer without penalty when sanctions hit 'Bama; bolted for A&M shortly thereafter and told his players via video conference. Sold private injury information to boosters to line his pockets.

Nick Saban: Spent three weeks saying, "I will not be the coach at Alabama,"; is the coach at Alabama.

Bobby Petrino: Quit on the Falcons in the middle of the regular season to coach Arkansas. Lied about contact with Auburn despite meeting with them before the end of the regular season. Lied about leaving the Falcons to coach in college; now coaches in college. For last five seasons, has spent every single one interviewing for a new job.

Rick Neuheisel: Gambled on sports when prohibited from doing so. Repeatedly covered up felonies committed by his players. Known shady recruiter.

Barry Switzer: Tenure at Oklahoma caused SI to put him on the cover along with calling his program a "sordid story"; oversaw multiple NCAA probationary periods at the school.

Jackie Sherrill: Only coach ever nailed in three separate NCAA investigations at two schools; got both punished.

George O'Leary: Resume liar.

I hope I need not explain the many, many issues surrounding the four programs I listed; it would take hours.
 
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HailToMichigan;1151501; said:
Bobby Petrino: Quit on the Falcons in the middle of the regular season to coach Arkansas. Lied about contact with Auburn despite meeting with them before the end of the regular season. Lied about leaving the Falcons to coach in college; now coaches in college. For last five seasons, has spent every single one interviewing for a new job.
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Rich Rodriguez: Barely one year earlier, pledged his commitment to his alma mater after turning down 'Bama job. Lied about meeting UM brass in Toledo under guise of meeting with "financial advisor". Bailed on his team before BCS Bowl Game (which is really worse? Bailing on a woeful NFL team full of payed professional athletes or a team of college kids that have played their hearts out for you?) after arguably his most embarrassing defeat. Called his prize recruit before notifying his own players with WVU cell phone. Trying to get out of living up to the buyout in his signed contract because he claims alleged verbal promises were not honored.

Come on HTM, I have a really hard time buying that you can look at the way things have gone down and not at the very least question his honor. Does he have a clean record? So far, yes. Does that automatically make him an honorable man? No. Poll even non-biased CFB fans and I doubt very many would associate words like "honor" and "integrity" with Rich Rodriguez.
 
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1. Nice straw man. I didn't say Bill Martin is the same as Nevada. It was an example to show why that line of thinking is dangerous.
2. Again, you miss the point of the example. Consistent is fine and dandy...unless it's negatively consistent. It looks like Dick Rod is consistently an asshole....but at least he's consistent, right?
3. I guess I get to use your argument for #1 then. Grad21 said he's done a lot of things at WVU that he can't get away with at Michigan. Just because the world doesn't know about them doesn't mean they didn't happen. I trust Grad, so that makes this a perfect supporting statement.
4. OOOOOOOOK? What's the point of listing these guys? They're all as shady as good ol' Dick Rod? I still don't get it.
 
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