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Reds Tidbits (2012 Season)

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The Cincinnati Reds had an abundance of redundant prospects and a big need to upgrade their starting rotation, so their plan for this off-season was obvious to nearly everyone. They needed to combine a group of good young talents who were blocked from playing regularly and turn them into one high quality starting pitcher. After kicking the tires on nearly every available arm on the market, the Reds finally got their wish today, shipping a quartet of good young talents to San Diego in exchange for 24-year-old Mat Latos.
Let?s start with what the Reds are getting in Latos, who is probably the best fit for their team of any pitcher rumored to be available on the market this winter. During his first two years and change in the Majors, Latos has been one of the better pitchers in baseball. For comparison, here are the starters who have thrown at least 350 innings in the last two years and have posted strikeout rates between 23% and 25%.............
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buckeyescott11;2066239; said:
The biggest issue I have with this trade is losing Alonso. If we lose Votto we're beyond fucked, now if we keep Votto then I love the trade.
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I think losing Votto is a given but I also think its easier to find offense from the 1B spot than TOR pitching and we have a couple years.

This is risky, no doubt but its the kind of thing you have to do in the Reds spot. If it works it's a great trade, if he blows or gets hurt it was another failure.

I guess I look at the past 30 years or so and ask what the fuck do they have to lose? I mean what the worst thing that happens? The Reds continue to suck?

You start with nothing, you've got nothing to lose.
 
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Kubel would be better than anyone the Reds have thrown out in the LF in a while, so that would be nice.

As far as the Latos trade, that was too much to give up. Yet the Padres know they held all the cards. The Reds can only trade for someone with a low salary, and there are very, very few somewhat proven arms in that category. Then it gets even smaller when you take into account teams willing to deal those pitchers.

Overall the team got better, but sure gave up a ton. I understand why they did it and had to give up that much, so it's not really criticism. It just sucks the Reds are so stuck when it comes to trades. Of course if Volquez was not a complete basket case this trade would not have needed to be made. Watch him find Jesus or get a lobotomy or something, get his head on straight, and become a Cy Young winner.
 
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My initial reaction was that the Reds gave up too much. If you think about it in terms of the price to get Latos plus the price to get somebody to take Voltard off your hands though, it seems pretty fair.

After seeing Leatherpants' comments on the trade I'm now solidly behind it. He had such a fucking boner for trying to rip off the other team rather than making his own better that even as an outside observer that's all that he can see in a deal. Plus, it's clear that a team looking anywhere other than the dumpster for pitching is still a foreign concept to him.

I don't get how that guy is paid to talk about baseball for a living. His crowning achievement is positioning the Nationals to draft Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper.
 
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jlb1705;2066481; said:
My initial reaction was that the Reds gave up too much. If you think about it in terms of the price to get Latos plus the price to get somebody to take Voltard off your hands though, it seems pretty fair.

After seeing Leatherpants' comments on the trade I'm now solidly behind it. He had such a fucking boner for trying to rip off the other team rather than making his own better that even as an outside observer that's all that he can see in a deal. Plus, it's clear that a team looking anywhere other than the dumpster for pitching is still a foreign concept to him.

I don't get how that guy is paid to talk about baseball for a living. His crowning achievement is positioning the Nationals to draft Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper.
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I am not totally sure about the rules, but since Volquez did not sign the deal they offered he is essentially under the Reds control with 1 year contracts determined by arbitration. So they could have cut him with no money loss. Getting rid of him through trade isn't really that big of a deal. If getting rid of him was a bonus, they could have just waived him.
 
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scott91575;2066469; said:
It just sucks the Reds are so stuck when it comes to trades.
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It comes back to what a few of us have been pointing out for a few years now, yes the farm is alive and producing talent but it isn't producing pitching talent. If you can't buy pitching you must grow pitching and our farm still isn't doing it.

Watch him find Jesus or get a lobotomy or something, get his head on straight, and become a Cy Young winner.
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Is there any doubt?
 
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