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RB Carlos "El Guapo" Hyde (Official Thread)

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Hyde is 6'1" and 230, and just entering his senior year in high school for crying out loud. The kid will be bigger and stronger than that by the time he steps on campus, and then our S&C program gets hold of him. Plus, he wants to be a Buckeye big time. I think he could turn out a lot better than some are expecting...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1192339; said:
Hyde is 6'1" and 230, and just entering his senior year in high school for crying out loud. The kid will be bigger and stronger than that by the time he steps on campus, and then our S&C program gets hold of him. Plus, he wants to be a Buckeye big time. I think he could turn out a lot better than some are expecting...
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One thing I absolutely hate about recruiting..This guy is the next.........fill in the blank...Some people fail to realize that one day they might be making a comparison saying "this guy might be the next Carlos Hyde"...

To the people talking about Moc..Remember that he didn't play 3 years for OSU either,and when he did...What an impact
 
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crazybuckfan40;1192325; said:
You guys are really under estimating Wells speed and overestimating Hyde's IMO...

Wells was faster than Pittman in the 40, and Clarett was just quick and had great vision...Not great speed...
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Wells' speed is generally underestimated but so is Hyde's. I saw the film too and I side more with BuckIpower. I think he looks fantastic. He is a top 10 back and a top 100 player. I think he has more moves than Beanie did at this time. Beanie either ran you over or ran by you. Hyde showed some ability to juke you in traffic. That's pretty amazing for a 6'0" 230 lbs junior who isn't close to peaking athletically. I won't predict Hyde to have the same success Beanie has had but I can't rule it out either.

Don't think Beanie is faster than Pitt in the 40 either. It's close but if anything he's a tad slower.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwF2mO_Sofo"]YouTube - Naples RB Carlos Hyde[/ame]

The first clip really shows off his straightline speed. That isn't some big slug like P.J. Hill or Javorskie Lane. That looks like 4.5 speed. The guy chasing him just happens to also be a burner and looks about 40 lbs lighter.

Watch the move in the next clip at 44 seconds. He splits two defenders with a 3rd not far behind and doesn't lose much speed getting out of his cuts. You don't see that from HS backs his size everyday.

At the 1:55 mark he is able to get to the corner.

The run at 2:40 is another that shows he can maneuver in in tight space.

Same with the next one.

Just about every play in that video is really impressive. I like him more than Berry and that's saying something.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1192443; said:
Wells' speed is generally underestimated but so is Hyde's. I saw the film too and I side more with BuckIpower. I think he looks fantastic. He is a top 10 back and a top 100 player. I think he has more moves than Beanie did at this time. Beanie either ran you over or ran by you. Hyde showed some ability to juke you in traffic. That's pretty amazing for a 6'0" 230 lbs junior who isn't close to peaking athletically. I won't predict Hyde to have the same success Beanie has had but I can't rule it out either.
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We are talking about a solid 4 star RB top 200 player in the country vs. the #1 player in the country as a high school senior...His line was made up of a bunch of stiffs, he was forced to make moves as soon as he got the ball, he was getting hit 2-3 yds deep more than 50% of the time...Hyde is a good player don't get me wrong, but not in Beanie's league...Beanie is starring at a 1700 yd season if he stays healthy this season...

Don't think Beanie is faster than Pitt in the 40 either. It's close but if anything he's a tad slower.
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From insiders that saw it live when it happened...Side by side, Wells was faster...Not guessing here...

YouTube - Naples RB Carlos Hyde

The first clip really shows off his straightline speed. That isn't some big slug like P.J. Hill or Javorskie Lane. That looks like 4.5 speed. The guy chasing him just happens to also be a burner and looks about 40 lbs lighter.
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Not saying that Hyde doesn't have solid speed...He kinda reminds me of Ron Dayne, don't think he will put up the type of numbers that he did, but his running style reminds me of him...TJ Duckett could be another guy...

Watch the move in the next clip at 44 seconds. He splits two defenders with a 3rd not far behind and doesn't lose much speed getting out of his cuts. You don't see that from HS backs his size everyday.

At the 1:55 mark he is able to get to the corner.

The run at 2:40 is another that shows he can maneuver in in tight space.

Same with the next one.

Just about every play in that video is really impressive. I like him more than Berry and that's saying something.
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I don't disagree with any of this...I think he has solid speed...Legit 4.55 speed which he is listed as...The thing is insiders and scouts that have seen him play, rank him as a FB, not saying I agree with this, and there are scouts that bring up the lack of yds/carry in the playoffs, while the other back on the team put up high numbers...I would put him as a solid 4 star, top 200 player, with the ability to get the tough yards here, get 15 carries/game if need be depending on the rest of the depth chart...I just think comparing him to Beanie and MoC who are top 5 Rb's on tOSU list in terms of talent that ever played here, is a bit premature...

As for him being better than Berry, that is sticking you neck out on a limb there, not many would agree there, and not that it is a bad thing of you thinking that, I just disagree...

Berry's lack of highlights, is probably due to his high school team being terrible...They won 1 game last year or something like that...He posted the fastest 40 at any scout combine held this year...He is built for being a smallish back, and will gain good weight when he gets here...He has great hip turn, cut back ability, the ability to turn on the jets when he hits the hole...And he is a top 5 rated RB in the country...
 
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a poster over at the O-Zone (DaV I think) came up with a nice Hyde comparison IMO....

...T.A. McClendon...former NC State running back. Rushed for 2400+ yards over 3 years before going pro too early (apparently because of grades).

Watched some of the (very few) NC State highlights from 2002 available on youtube...and can't disagree with the comparison (though tape is extremely limited of the Pack). Similar moves and body types. McClendon showed up at the combine at close to 5-11 and 235 pounds...basically what Hyde is right now. I think rating Hyde somewhere between 150-300 in the nation is acceptable given the tape and offer list. Not enough there for a top 100 player at this point (though I wonder what could be if he wasn't sharing the load with another D-I back...Greg Pratt...in the Naples backfield).

All these comparison are fun and interesting...but regardless of whether he's similar to Beanie or Byars or MoC or McClendon or any other bigger back...fact remains that Hyde's got a lot of physical ability and some football skills to go with it. It's a bit unfortunate that his biggest sin this year is that he's not Jamaal Berry (and also that he doesn't have blazing speed at a time when alleged Buckeye slowness has been pounded into everyones head so much that it has started to seep in)....but there seems to be A LOT to work with here with Mr. Hyde. Looking forward to seeing him in person a time or two this coming football season.
 
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RE CBF40: Fair enough. We obviously agree we're getting a good back. We just disagree on how good. :wink2:

I think rating Hyde somewhere between 150-300 in the nation is acceptable given the tape and offer list.
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Scout says he had offers from the Big 3 in Florida, Auburn, and Alabama. What's wrong with the tape?
 
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haha I was really tryin to be careful with how I worded things because we all know how much Beanie means to this team, and it would be fullish to demean beanie by comparing him to a High School Senior to be.

In saying that though I am jus more impressed by this kid then I was of beanie's tape. Like Oregon said above, I think maybe why is because the guy has moved in traffic! In that film how many times did they do that delay handoff and he makes a move around a defender and jets going across the field. He's not as fast as Beanie, but to me speed doesn't really matter as long as he has vision. The guy's film isn't full of 2-5 yard runs, but has highlight real after highlight real type of runs. What really struck me was he did it all in the clips. Ran over, ran through, ran around, and danced around people to get the ball in the endzone. I will not even explain to ya'll how excited I would be if Beanie stays 1 more year (like he said he would) and they put the two in the backfield together.

I don't mean to harp on saine, but just to further demonstrate my point a little. Saine has the best speed on our team and we know that, but watch his highlight tapes as well as clips from last year and to me it seems he lacks Ideal vision to that 1400 yard a year back. He's a hell of a weapon don't get me wrong but speed doesn't do you a thing if you don't know how to run the ball and where to run it.

I don't mean to put expectations on the guy but I don't think it would be outta the question to see him produce on a pittman type of level. Probably a 1,000 yard back (depending on how we split the carries). Love the guys potential here obviously. I don't think any of us are wrong though I can see what all ya'll are saying.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1192471; said:
RE CBF40: Fair enough. We obviously agree we're getting a good back. We just disagree on how good. :wink2:

Scout says he had offers from the Big 3 in Florida, Auburn, and Alabama. What's wrong with the tape?
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nothing. He's real good but I don't see a slam-dunk top 100 guy there. Definitely not slamming the guy...I'm a BIG Carlos Hyde fan.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1192460; said:
Not saying that Hyde doesn't have solid speed...He kinda reminds me of Ron Dayne, don't think he will put up the type of numbers that he did, but his running style reminds me of him...TJ Duckett could be another guy...
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Both of those guys were about 255-270 lbs. I don't see Hyde getting much bigger than 240. Hyde's speed is definitely superior to those two. Duckett was freakishly strong. Dayne was a load. I think all 3 are their own backs.

As for him being better than Berry, that is sticking you neck out on a limb there, not many would agree there, and not that it is a bad thing of you thinking that, I just disagree...

Berry's lack of highlights, is probably due to his high school team being terrible...They won 1 game last year or something like that...He posted the fastest 40 at any scout combine held this year...He is built for being a smallish back, and will gain good weight when he gets here...He has great hip turn, cut back ability, the ability to turn on the jets when he hits the hole...And he is a top 5 rated RB in the country...
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I love Berry. Top 10 back, no questions asked. I mentioned this a while ago that it comes down to preference for me. Both possess rare skills but Hyde seems like a better fit in our system. Berry seems like a better fit in a spread offense like Florida's or WVU's.

B-town Buckeye;1192499; said:
nothing. He's real good but I don't see a slam-dunk top 100 guy there. Definitely not slamming the guy...I'm a BIG Carlos Hyde fan.
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Gotcha'.
 
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Since we are still comparing..Ron Dayne is one of the greatest running backs in college football history bar none. 270lbs out of high school,and breaking track records in the discus,as a half back. T.A was always injured but played injured as well. I'm sure he would have done better if he ever seen 100%,but the fact that he would play hurt still remains kick ass. One more random fact that means nothing is TJ duckett benched press over 500lbs as a half back...If this guy can find a few of those traits then I won't be too upset at all.

I'm grateful OSU picked this guy up,because a fresh body like this will eat up a dline late in the game. So what if he isn't leaving a fire trail behind him,when he runs? Last time I checked you had to be on the ground to be tackled.A big body back with elusiveness will paralyze a defense. Having TP to move around and this guy block or smack the dline in the face is a HUGE add on.This isn't ncaa for ea sports..Speed doesn't mean everything,and who's to say that's not going to improve drastically knowing after this season he's attending ohio state.
 
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