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Rate a Position...Part 1..QB

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Best: Troy Smith, Ohio State - 149-237, 2,283 yds, 63%, 16 TD, 4 INT, 136 carries, 611 yds, 4.5 ypc, 11 TD
Hes not gonna beat you with just his arm but he will torch you with his legs as well. Even on the Saturdays when he doesnt get 150 rush ayrds, he makes what he scrambles for count (ie. picking up the 3rd down on the 1 against ND). Hes icy cool when it comes to decision making and will rarely cost his team a loss - only 2 losses in his career (Purdue 2004, PSU 2005).

Overrated: Drew Stanton. The kid started last year with a boom and ended with a thud. The first four games of 2005 he threw 13 TDs and only 2 INTs (all were wins). The following 3 games (all losses) he threw only 3 TD passes and 4 picks. Three of those 4 INTs came from Northwestern - one of the worst pass defenses in the nation. He then went on to help his team get by Indiana but didnt do much in the next three losses - 4 TDs and 5 INTs...He just had a meltdown and there is no way you get on the Heisman list if you tank your position that bad. Yes 3000 yards and 22 TDs sounds nice, but 12 INTs really helped in their season losses.

Underrated: Sam Keller, Arizona State - 155-264, 58%, 2,165 yds, 20 TD, 9 INT, 1 rushing touchdown
Keller was on the way to an All-America caliber season with two 400-yard games and two 300-yard games in his first six outings along with four touchdown passes in each of his first four games, and then he got hurt against Stanford and missed the second half of the season due to the thumb injury. He's a big 6-4, 240-pound bomber with a live arm and a self-confidence and swagger that's both a help and a hindrance. For example, his attitude helped ASU bomb away against USC on the way to a halftime lead, but he pressed too much when things started going south and finished with five interceptions and a loss. He's not going to run and he's not the most mobile quarterback in the pocket, but he's such a quick decision maker with such a quick release that it doesn't matter.
 
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c'mon guys, lets not stop at Henne, Hart, and Breaston being the most overrated QB-WR-RB in the nation. I mean really, why stop there? Carr is the most overrated football coach in history, the Wolverines are the most overrated football program, Michigan is the most overrated state in the union, and Hail to the Victors is the most overrated song ever.
 
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Best - tie Brady Quinn and Troy Smith. Polar opposites in style and format, but equally dangerous in their own way.

Overrated - Pat White, WVU. Playing in the Big easy is a step up from the OCC Buckeye Division with the exception of Louisville. Cupcakes pad stats.

Underrated - Steve Moffett, UCF. With George O'Leary guiding him, Moffett has become a stud. Moffett's play and O'Leary's style will soon have us talking about the Big Four in Florida.
 
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Cwood24 said:
c'mon guys, lets not stop at Henne, Hart, and Breaston being the most overrated QB-WR-RB in the nation. I mean really, why stop there? Carr is the most overrated football coach in history, the Wolverines are the most overrated football program, Michigan is the most overrated state in the union, and Hail to the Victors is the most overrated song ever.
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You finally make a point.


On a completely unrelated note, Michigan is the ONLY team in NCAA 2007 (PS2 version) that has an A+ ranking. Nah, they aren't overrated.
 
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I don't know if you ca have a player who has barely taken a snap as over-rated. But, what the hell it is a thread, not a thesis, so here goes.

Most over-rated QB?
Penn State's very own Anthony Morelli. He has yet to live up to a small percentile of his recruitment hype. The Penn Stater's I work with think the sun shines out of his rear end, yet they don't accept that he has proven damned little yet.

Best QB - I could be a homer and say Smith, but I will not do that. Frankly, given last seasons ouput I think Quinn made a very good statement of his capabilities. (That made beating ND all the better in the Fiesta Bowl).

Under-rated? I would argue that Troy Smith is still dunned too much for his size, and for being a running QB. Though putting him squarely in the under-rated category is probably richly over-stating matters, I do believe he is not given his full due. No, there are others who are nuggets that receive even less praise. One of those out of the Big 10 has to be Drew Stanton. If I were the fan of the pro team that picked Drew on draft day 2007 I'd be whooping an hollering.
Sadly for him, he is surrounded by a team that probably requires the correct psychiatric medication.
 
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ok my serious post on this topic...

Best QB - Drew Stanton, Michigan State

The kid is legit, without him Michigan State wouldn't even win a game. The guy is their entire offense and he means more to his team than any other QB in the nation. Give Stanton just a few of the weapons that Henne/Smith have had and a defense that is even average, and the kid would win B10 titles like it was nothing.

Most overrated QB - Brady Quinn, Noter Dame

He's good, but he's not THAT good. Before last season most people didn't even think this kid could cut it. His arm isn't that strong, his deep ball sucks donkey kong, and he got real lucky with some of those throws that Smarjajadadaaadada (however he hell you spell that guys name) came down with.

Most underrated QB - Drew Tate, Iowa

Tate doesn't get his proper mention as one of the best in the nation. Tate could very well prove to be the best QB in the B10 this season. He's certainly one of the top-3 QB's in the conference pre-season, and the kid is a real gamer.
 
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Cwood24 said:
ok my serious post on this topic...

Best QB - Drew Stanton, Michigan State

The kid is legit, without him Michigan State wouldn't even win a game. The guy is their entire offense and he means more to his team than any other QB in the nation. Give Stanton just a few of the weapons that Henne/Smith have had and a defense that is even average, and the kid would win B10 titles like it was nothing.
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After the last two Novembers, this cannot really be your pick....
 
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Cwood24 said:
c'mon guys, lets not stop at Henne, Hart, and Breaston being the most overrated QB-WR-RB in the nation. I mean really, why stop there? Carr is the most overrated football coach in history, the Wolverines are the most overrated football program, Michigan is the most overrated state in the union, and Hail to the Victors is the most overrated song ever.
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Don't worry ... we'll get to all of those when they're posted. :biggrin:

On a serious note though, do you think Henne has improved substantially from the level he was at in high school? I agree that most are piling on re: Hart and Breaston, but I do believe Henne is overrated.
 
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osugrad21 said:
After the last two Novembers, this cannot really be your pick....
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One player does not a TEAM make. Football is a team sport, no?

Stanton is a hell of a player who hasn't had the proper support from his teammates to go the distance. First of all, John L. Smith is a used-salesman for a head coach, the guy is just a joke. Secondly, the talent level has been somewhat of a joke. Has Stanton had the luxury of throwing to a receiver with the talent of Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jason Avant, or Michael Jenkins? That's 3 1st round picks and a 4th rounder right there. Has Stanton even had anything like that? You really want to say Matt "hands of stone" Trannon is really upto par? The only real weapons on offense that would be of Michigan/tOSU caliber that Stanton has had the last two seasons were a Sr. D'Andre Cobb in '04 and a true freshman Javon Ringer in 2005. The guy just doesn't have the talent around him, and he's what makes the offense click. Without him MSU might not even win a game in 2006.

Let's not even get started on the pathetic D and special teams meltdowns that MSU has become known for. They've running water for a defense and probably the most pathetic kicking game in the B10.

Those things aren't Stanton's fault and I can't blame him for his team sucking. All I know is the kid can really play and he means more to his team than any other QB. He makes the entire offense go. MSU is a mid-level B10 team. Without him they'd be bottom feeders and lucky to beat Illinois.
 
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Cwood24 said:
One player does not a TEAM make. Football is a team sport, no?
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Ironic that these are your opening sentences.....then you spend 3 paragraphs explaining why one player is the reason MSU won ANY games. Hmmm....

All I am saying is that I cannot imagine a QB playing better than TSmith has played against Michigan...however, you must have taken worse beatings than the ones he has given you...therefore I will defer to your opinion.


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osugrad21 said:
Ironic that these are your opening sentences.....then you spend 3 paragraphs explaining why one player is the reason MSU won ANY games. Hmmm....

All I am saying is that I cannot imagine a QB playing better than TSmith has played against Michigan...however, you must have taken worse beatings than the ones he has given you...therefore I will defer to your opinion.


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Hell yeah he's the reason MSU wins any games. MSU is a SHITTY team. He makes it even possible for that team to have a chance to win games. MSU is a near talentless team that hasn't recruited well for almost a decade. It's been about 6 years since they've had a recruiting class that is one even close to a class that tOSU/Michigan pull in annually.

What does Troy Smith have to do with Stanton? Honeslty. I think tOSU fans just like to bring Troy Smith up whenever they can because he's not getting the love from the rags that Quinn or Leak are.

Smith is a very good QB, just don't think he's as good as Stanton and if you made them trade places tOSU wouldn't have went 8-4 in 2004 and they wouldn't have lost 2 games in '05.
 
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Cwood24 said:
Hell yeah he's the reason MSU wins any games. MSU is a SHITTY team. He makes it even possible for that team to have a chance to win games. MSU is a near talentless team that hasn't recruited well for almost a decade. It's been about 6 years since they've had a recruiting class that is one even close to a class that tOSU/Michigan pull in annually.

What does Troy Smith have to do with Stanton? Honeslty. I think tOSU fans just like to bring Troy Smith up whenever they can because he's not getting the love from the rags that Quinn or Leak are.

Smith is a very good QB, just don't think he's as good as Stanton and if you made them trade places tOSU wouldn't have went 8-4 in 2004 and they wouldn't have lost 2 games in '05.
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Mike Lowry in Bad Boys 2: "That's that bullshit right there."
 
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