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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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KingLeon;1909169; said:
No I think that would be fine too.

I fail to see how making money means you are doing something wrong, ever. Maybe by rule it's technically wrong because the NCAA says so. But getting money is not wrong under any other rules in the world. Neither is selling your own stuff, especially at fair market value.

I understand that Terrelle is wrong BECAUSE of the rule, but in true REALITY he did nothing wrong at all.

And he most certainly did not do something morally wrong as was suggested by other people earlier.
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Yes, he did. He broke a rule. Again, we can all wish it wasn't a rule (even though there IS legitimate merit to the rule) but he signed up for the rule, and then broke it. Now, many here have said that he has not choice but to sign up for the rule...well that's bogus too. He doesn't HAVE to play football. Is it his best option? Heck yeah, but he doesn't HAVE to. There are thousands of other occupations he could have. This is his chosen one, so he has some difficult rules to abide by. Frankly, that's no different than the rest of us.

I happen to work in an occupation where I have some fairly onerous rules regarding what and when I can invest in. I also have to do some fairly granular reporting on political donations that honestly, seem offensive to me. But this is my chosen profession so I abide by the rules that I don't think pass a morality check. I COULD leave my profession, but it's where I'm best suited...so I buck up and follow the rules. Pryor could have too...he just chose not to. He's a kid...and was an even younger kid when he did it. So I don't think it makes him a bad guy...what is makes him is a kid who made a poor choice....and frankly his poor choice pales in comparison to the one it appears JT made when HE decided not to report any of this.
 
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Buckeye513;1909187; said:
Murders happen. Doesn't mean we should legalize it.
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I never once said it should be legalized. I'm stating that it goes on more frequently than some would like to believe.

Add to that the latest transgression at tOSU will not stop the rogue boosters/street agents from putting these players in undesirable situations.
 
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KingLeon;1909169; said:
I fail to see how making money means you are doing something wrong, ever.
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And there are literally millions more examples throughout human history where making money was both illegal and WRONG.

Not to compare what the tat5 did with Pablo Escobar or The Teflon Don nor to say what they did was illegal in the CIVIC sense, but claiming that making money is never ever wrong is the height of hyperbole.
 
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the most annoying part of this is the 2 game suspension for Troy Smith just flat out taking money and TP getting 5 games for selling his stuff.


Then you get the 1 game suspensions for DUI, Possesion of Marijuanna, and Disorderly conducts.
 
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Tlangs;1909211; said:
the most annoying part of this is the 2 game suspension for Troy Smith just flat out taking money and TP getting 5 games for selling his stuff.


Then you get the 1 game suspensions for DUI, Possesion of Marijuanna, and Disorderly conducts.
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I don't think it's ever been established how many things were sold over how many months/years. Maybe it's better not to have TP sit one game for every separate violation? I'm guessing they used the A.J. Green template for the generic penalty duration, and added one game because it looks like it has been going on for years.

But yeah - smoking a joint versus selling your jersey does present a valid question about the relative seriousness of the two violations. Unfortunately, when you agree to play division I football you agree to abide by the NCAA rules. You are certainly free not to play college ball - nobody is forcing you - and you can sell all of your [Mark May] any time you want and simply show up at NFL try outs.
 
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Gatorubet;1909217; said:
I don't think it's ever been established how many things were sold over how many months/years. Maybe it's better not to have TP sit one game for every separate violation? I'm guessing they used the A.J. Green template for the generic penalty duration, and added one game because it looks like it has been going on for years.

But yeah - smoking a joint versus selling your jersey does present a valid question about the relative seriousness of the two violations. Unfortunately, when you agree to play division I football you agree to abide by the NCAA rules. You are certainly free not to play college ball - nobody is forcing you - and you can sell all of your [Mark May] any time you want and simply show up at NFL try outs.
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I know there is the "AJ Green template", but even that is a joke. AJ Green didn't just call up the AD and say "hey, I broke the rules" so the additional game doesn't apply to him. I really thought that Pryor and the boys would get a reduction to 4 games after the appeal. Then the JT cover up hit the news cycle and there was no way the NCAA was going decrease their suspension. I have no evidence to support this but my gut feeling was they would have gotten 4 games had the cover up not occured. Even though the cover up is completely seperate and the players weren't involved in it.
 
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Merih;1909264; said:
I am no mod, but I think its about time to split off the extracurriculars in this thread.
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No such thing.

Didn't you know off-topic conversations are NEVER wrong. I don't care whether they detract from the point of the thread, there is NOTHING wrong with talking about off-topic things. The only reason they are considered "wrong" is because the forum rules say so.
 
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Terrelle Pryor is pretty good at playing quarterback. I look forward to when he gets back on the football field following his suspension.

If he plays with the same fire and determination he had in the Sugar Bowl, our offense will be pretty fucking awesome.
 
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Yertle;1909345; said:
If he made money hitting her, then it's ok... apparently.
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When Zevon sang, "he dug up her grave and built a cage with her bones" he insinuates that it was wrong. No money involved.

Completely different from a dead hooker in the trunk of your car. That always involves some kind of financial transaction.
 
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jwinslow;1909147; said:
Terrelle can sell his personal property that he purchased separate from OSU, like dvds, a console, a car.
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But can he? What if the NCAA determined he sold such things "above market price". Maybe his mom sells her car and gets one or two thousand more for it then it would "normally be valued in the market" from some person who happens to be an Ohio State alumni? Couldn't that be interpreted as an "extra benefit"?

Better yet, maybe Terrelle sells his car, gets 2k more then it would normally be worth..and then gives his championship ring away as a gift to the person who bought the car at some later time. I mean once it's assumed by the NCAA that they have the right to dictate what the players are allowed to do with certain property of theirs, they basically have to encompass all property along with that.

It's a slippery slope of ridiculousness, the idea of the rule is to ensure fairness but is obviously unenforceable.
 
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