QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[MililaniBuckeye]

bad analogy, they didn't steal anything They sold their own items, it's a ridiculous rule preventing college players from getting a few hundred/couple thousand dollars.

Actually, it's not a ridiculous rule for reasons covered pages back. They can sell their stuff after their NCAA elgibility is over, but not beforehand. No booster is going to pay big money to a player no longer on the roster because that player is no longer of use, whereas being able to launder money through the selling of one's "personal items" while on the roster--or more likely, while a potential recruit--is exactly what the NCAA is trying to prevent. You may not like it, but in the famous words of Chief Sitting Bull, "Tough fucking shit, Kemosabe".

 

[SloopyHangOn]

If I tell you I'm not going to steal $100 from you, then when you leave your wallet behind I take $100 dollars, you're not going to question my character or make some sort of statement about my actions?

bad analogy, they didn't steal anything They sold their own items, it's a ridiculous rule preventing college players from getting a few hundred/couple thousand dollars.

It wasn't even an analogy about the players. It was a hypothetical about KingLeon's statement.

If you're going to make a comment about my quote, READ the conversation it's in. Fucking A. I can't decide if all you people that are missing the point are oblivious or illiterate. KingLeon's comments have been of the premise that the players breaking a rule that they agreed to abide by is not grounds to question their character.

It boils down to something as simple as "they knew they weren't supposed to do it, but they did it anyway", there's no way you can spin that to make it sound like it's not their fault or that you can't make a statement about how this action affects the perception of this person's character.

 

[Gatorubet]

Doesnt mean it wasnt wrong but IMMORAL -Give me a [censored]ing break. Punching your girlfriend is immoral.

Exhibit "A" - The Snooki Exception

 

[seewhy14]

Hmm i've been a member for years and i never sign in to post anything. I just like reading the articles on the buckeyes and the comments members make but I don't get the argument going on so I had to sign in to comment. He broke a rule so yes it was wrong but how can you judge a person from what he did. If i see a person jaywalking or speeding we all know it's against the law but we're not going to jump to the conclusion that they're a bad person ok that is all now i'll go back to just reading articles again.

 

[Gatorubet]

Hmm i've been a member for years and i never sign in to post anything. I just like reading the articles on the buckeyes and the comments members make but I don't get the argument going on so I had to sign in to comment. He broke a rule so yes it was wrong but how can you judge a person from what he did. If i see a person jaywalking or speeding we all know it's against the law but we're not going to jump to the conclusion that they're a bad person ok that is all now i'll go back to just reading articles again.

Two posts a year seems a little extreme. Tone it down a bit seewhy :p

 

[WolverineMike]

I always assume if I see someone jaywalking or speeding it's because they're on their way to sell crack to children..........

 

[generaladm]

I always assume if I see children buying crack it's because they're scoring for BP posters..........

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Exhibit "A" - The Snooki Exception

part of me wishes I watched this show so I could get the context behind the most awesome gif ever. too bad that didn't result in a coma.

 

[Mike80]

part of me wishes I watched this show so I could get the context behind the most awesome gif ever. too bad that didn't result in a coma.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcd2u2gejeY

Rules are rules. TP (and the others) should have known them.

The very fact that we are seeing such rules placed upon 18 year old college students shows us how out of whack some people's priorities are, but thems the breaks.

 

[boogs03]

Hmm i've been a member for years and i never sign in to post anything. I just like reading the articles on the buckeyes and the comments members make but I don't get the argument going on so I had to sign in to comment. He broke a rule so yes it was wrong but how can you judge a person from what he did. If i see a person jaywalking or speeding we all know it's against the law but we're not going to jump to the conclusion that they're a bad person ok that is all now i'll go back to just reading articles again.

Now if I see a person speeding while someone is jaywalking, I might think that
the person speeding is kind of a jerk.

 

[Padraig]

Yes, you are just understandably wrong or easily forgiveable.

He didn't put anyone's life in jeopardy, assault anyone, badmouth anyone.

He made a mistake, got caught, deserves the punishment (under the rules in place... the absurdity of the rule is a separate issue), and deserves a shot to reconcile his legacy with a nearly unprecedented return to full strength when everyone else is starting to break down.

And I'll still partially disagree with that.

Is it "wrong" to break certain rules / laws (like say a seat belt violation, or as some have pointed out jay walking)? I'll say, it depends:

If I get pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, I pay a fine (accept the consequences) then tomorrow I choose to drive my car and not wear a seat belt and get picked up again, and I choose to pay the fine, then make the same choice.....I may say that could be considered stupid, but there is no way to say that those actions are wrong without knowing how those actions affect the individual or those around him (me).

Maybe I am independently wealthy and a $75 fine every day of my life is nothing to me or my family, then I choose to drive without a seatbelt & I understand the consequences and accept them if I am picked up.

If I have no job, and a wife and kids are counting on that money I'm putting in the public coffers each week instead of buying milk, diapers, etc. the yeah I'd consider those actions wrong.

So in my opinion the word "wrong" needs to be qualified. "Immoral" doesn't apply here imo, but I suppose there are those who could make arguments depending on how you define that word as well.

TP definitely broke a rule. He is absolutely subject to the consequences, but I guess all of our particular inturpretation of the definition of right & wrong will color arguments here, and it's hard to argue that when we all most likely have varying perspectives on morality.

 

[Buckskin86]

In the case of Pryor, of course, Gruden won't be watching him on the field since the senior quarterback is still recovering from a foot injury suffered in the late stages of the Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas, But Gruden can still talk with him. And as he said today, the 6-foot-6, 240-pound Pryor certainly fits the physical profile of contemporary quarterback prospects.
"The quarterbacks I'm seeing coming through here in the last few years are getting bigger, stronger, and they're getting abnormally large," Gruden said. "When you look at the size of (Tim) Tebow, the size of Cam Newton, now you're talking about Terrelle Pryor, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett.
"If you get with the right coach who can cater an offense to Terrelle Pryor's ability ‑‑ I stood on the field right before the Rose Bowl (OSU's win over Oregon in which Pryor was named the game MVP). I thought Terrelle Pryor was Julius Peppers (the Chicago Bears defensive end). That is the kind of size he has."
Whether Pryor has what it takes to play quarterback in the NFL remains to be seen, Gruden said,
"But everybody's looking for big, explosive athletes," Gruden said. "The way they're protecting quarterbacks, that is the one reason I really like Cam Newton. You can't tackle these guys below the legs. They're hard to bring down.
"If you watch (Ben) Roethlisberger and Josh Freeman create plays, it's a huge advantage for guys of this size. You can't bring them down. So I think there is a chance for Pryor. I just will know more after I see him personally."

http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblog/2011/04/gruden_not_ruling_out_pryor_as.shtml

 

[WolverineMike]

does he mean he'll talk to him before the draft, or that he's talking to him now? I would think that type of contact would not be allowed.

 

[cjmik_75]

http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblog/2011/04/gruden_not_ruling_out_pryor_as.shtml

While ESPN pro football talent analysts Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay believe Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor's NFL future will have him catching balls, their network colleague Jon Gruden -- former Super Bowl-winning coach -- isn't ready to make that call.
In fact, Gruden told me today during a teleconference about the upcoming NFL draft that he will be in Columbus the next several days at Ohio State where he plans to get to know Pryor a little more. Gruden is scheduled to be a guest speaker during the OSU Coaches Clinic on Friday morning.
"I'm going to spend a few days down there watching the Buckeyes in spring practice," Gruden said. "I'll have a better feel for that after I sit down and watch them."

does he mean he'll talk to him before the draft, or that he's talking to him now? I would think that type of contact would not be allowed.

I don't think speaking with a member of the media is a violation. Special considerations for the almighty ESPiN and you can get away with almost anything.

Plus he's a guest speaker at a clinic...unless the NCAA says the football players aren't allowed to listen to guest speakers...it sounds pretty legit.

 

[buckiprof]

Good thing not everyone follows the "rules is rules" mantra so absolutely.

Not comparing anything happening in the relatively insignificant world of college football and NCAA rules to what Rosa Parks did....I was simply reflecting on the absolutism some have shown here.