QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[colobuck79]

Good thing not everyone follows the "rules is rules" mantra so absolutely.

Not comparing anything happening in the relatively insignificant world of college football and NCAA rules to what Rosa Parks did....I was simply reflecting on the absolutism some have shown here.

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[WolverineMike]

I don't think speaking with a member of the media is a violation. Special considerations for the almighty ESPiN and you can get away with almost anything.

Plus he's a guest speaker at a clinic...unless the NCAA says the football players aren't allowed to listen to guest speakers...it sounds pretty legit.

i see.....I forget Gruden is just a media guy now.

 

[Meyer]

Good thing not everyone follows the "rules is rules" mantra so absolutely.

Not comparing anything happening in the relatively insignificant world of college football and NCAA rules to what Rosa Parks did....I was simply reflecting on the absolutism some have shown here.

Exactly. If everyone blindly followed any rule just because it is a rule, then THEY are ignorant.

In my opinion, as I've stated many times in the last few days, if anyone is wrong it's the NCAA.

Selling your own personal stuff is never WRONG.

 

[jwinslow]

Exactly. If everyone blindly followed any rule just because it is a rule, then THEY are ignorant.

In my opinion, as I've stated many times in the last few days, if anyone is wrong it's the NCAA.

Rosa parks is a terrible comparison. Rosa did not sign up legally to participate as a persecuted African American.

No one forced Terrelle to play college football. That was his choice, as was his choice to flaunt the rules he agreed to follow.

People forced Rosa Parks to live by unfair rules she never agreed to, nor had any ability to circumvent. Terrelle can sell his personal property that he purchased separate from OSU, like dvds, a console, a car. Rosa parks would only compare if the government was persecuting Pryor from selling his own gear as an average citizen when others were allowed to.

Terrelle is not an average citizen. The rule is to prevent money laundering, which would be rampant if they could sell their gear while amateurs. I hate the hypocrisy of the Pryor jerseys for sale, but there is no good alternative to let Pryor cash in. The only alternative is to change how stores and schools profit off of him.

Your disagreement with the rule is quite irrelevant, he agreed to play by those rules.

Selling your own personal stuff is never WRONG.

it is when you agree not to do so and then do it anyway.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Exactly. If everyone blindly followed any rule just because it is a rule, then THEY are ignorant.

In my opinion, as I've stated many times in the last few days, if anyone is wrong it's the NCAA.

Selling your own personal stuff is never WRONG.

"never" is a strong word. I'm sure you can see why the NCAA doesn't let athletes do this. Its about a half step away from straight up paying recruits/players.

No sir....I didn't pay Cam Newton $180,000 to play at Auburn. I bought his pencil for $180,000.

 

[Meyer]

Yes I can see why they don't allow it. But to jwinslow, I don't see a minor league football system where these guys can play after signing huge contracts with major league teams.

Sure no one is forcing them, but what's the alternative?

The NFL won't allow them to go straight to the league either, which should be illegal.

 

[jwinslow]

Yes I can see why they don't allow it. But to jwinslow, I don't see a minor league football system where these guys can play after signing huge contracts with major league teams.

Sure no one is forcing them, but what's the alternative?

The NFL won't allow them to go straight to the league either, which should be illegal.

which is why the other side should be changed.

Pryor jerseys should not be for sale in a laughable dance of hypocrisy.

There should be a d league for guys with no academic future so schools can stop cheating to keep them eligible.

That doesn't make it okay to break the rules. It isn't like Pryor accepted those benefits as a political statement against the NCAA, he just broke the rules like many others do and then got caught. We can all relate to that type of behavior and it makes it understandable but not innocent.

 

[buckiprof]

I am amazed by the power of absolutism. Rosa being taken as a poor comparison misses the point on what I was getting at....absolutism. But it still showed the power of absolutism. Oh well.

 

[Buckeye513]

Exactly. If everyone blindly followed any rule just because it is a rule, then THEY are ignorant.

In my opinion, as I've stated many times in the last few days, if anyone is wrong it's the NCAA.

Selling your own personal stuff is never WRONG.

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The rule is in place to prevent players from "selling" random shit they get from the school to boosters for 4 or 5 figures.

Would you agree that a booster walking up to Terrelle Pryor and giving him $1,000 is wrong?

Would you agree that there is pretty much no difference between that and a booster walking up to Terrelle Pryor and giving him $1,000 for the laces from his practice cleats?

 

[Mike80]

I am amazed by the power of absolutism. Rosa being taken as a poor comparison misses the point on what I was getting at....absolutism. But it still showed the power of absolutism. Oh well.

Well I absolutely detest and hate Michigan football.

 

[Meyer]

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Would you agree that a booster walking up to Terrelle Pryor and giving him $1,000 is wrong?

Would you agree that there is pretty much no difference between that and a booster walking up to Terrelle Pryor and giving him $1,000 for the laces from his practice cleats?

No I think that would be fine too.

I fail to see how making money means you are doing something wrong, ever. Maybe by rule it's technically wrong because the NCAA says so. But getting money is not wrong under any other rules in the world. Neither is selling your own stuff, especially at fair market value.

I understand that Terrelle is wrong BECAUSE of the rule, but in true REALITY he did nothing wrong at all.

And he most certainly did not do something morally wrong as was suggested by other people earlier.

 

[Yertle]

So, you're predicting LSU, OSU, Texas for the next three titles?

He said "threepeat", not "threepete".

Being the first player to win 3 BCS MVP's would be awesome. But, right now, I'm just looking forward to talking about BCS possibilities and getting this off-season crap behind us.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

No I think that would be fine too.

I fail to see how making money means you are doing something wrong, ever. Maybe by rule it's technically wrong because the NCAA says so. But getting money is not wrong under any other rules in the world. Neither is selling your own stuff, especially at fair market value.

I understand that Terrelle is wrong BECAUSE of the rule, but in true REALITY he did nothing wrong at all.

And he most certainly did not do something morally wrong as was suggested by other people earlier.

so the school with the deepest pockets becomes the best. it's just an all out bidding war to see who can "sign" the best recruiting class.

 

[cjmik_75]

so the school with the deepest pockets becomes the best. it's just an all out bidding war to see who can "sign" the best recruiting class.

It already is an all out bidding war...it's just going on behind the NCAA's back.

I find it hard to believe that what has gone on with Coach Tress and the suspended players will stop the rogue boosters/shady shit, at any school, from preying on these players and their need/want for $.

 

[Buckeye513]

No I think that would be fine too.

I fail to see how making money means you are doing something wrong, ever. Maybe by rule it's technically wrong because the NCAA says so. But getting money is not wrong under any other rules in the world. Neither is selling your own stuff, especially at fair market value.

I understand that Terrelle is wrong BECAUSE of the rule, but in true REALITY he did nothing wrong at all.

And he most certainly did not do something morally wrong as was suggested by other people earlier.

So a businessman from Alabama could argue that #1 recruit Jadeveon Clowney's pencil is worth $180,000, and he could have an agreement with Jadeveon to purchase this magnificent writing device upon young sir committing to take his talents to Tuscaloosa County, and you wouldn't have a problem with this?

Trading a Fiesta Bowl award for tats is not wrong, but that's not the target of the rule and getting rid of it opens a big fuckin' can of worms.

It already is an all out bidding war...it's just going on behind the NCAA's back.

I find it hard to believe that what has gone on with Coach Tress and the suspended players will stop the rogue boosters/shady shit, at any school, from preying on these players and their need/want for $.

Murders happen. Doesn't mean we should legalize it.