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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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The package for TP is in place and one of our best years offensively was last year. BM is a direct replacement for TP to run the exact same things. Not having Hall probably has hurt. Losing weeks of camp in a 4 qb battle is a mistake. The offense was in place from the last 3 years to run it with BM. It is painfully obvious that there is a qb on the roster that can run a 4.5 forty, with a quick release, velocity and good accuracy (there is a reason why Urban was salivating when he saw BM in the game) Why change the offense when it is already there. Camp should have been grooming BM to take over what we have been building on the last few years.....an actual identity on offense.

There is nothing wrong with POWER and running the I formation.....but against good teams it has rarely worked and we were forced to make plays with an athletic qb. Only one guy on the roster can do that. Good offensive teams do what they do best and do it well. We have been going back and forth between spread and I formation for years.......sure there is a time for each to sprinkle it in.....but please just settle on one and do it well. BM is the future and can throw the ball away just as well as JB. He can also do just as well managing a game if he is told to do so. What he can do is create when plays break down and make a defense account for him. BM is not a mop up qb.....he is a playmaker which is what this offensive staff has to have to make it go against good competition. Go Bucks

Recipe to beat Ohio State with JB. Load the box and cover Stoneburner.
 
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cbrian815;1990691; said:
The package for TP is in place and one of our best years offensively was last year. BM is a direct replacement for TP to run the exact same things. Not having Hall probably has hurt. Losing weeks of camp in a 4 qb battle is a mistake. The offense was in place from the last 3 years to run it with BM. It is painfully obvious that there is a qb on the roster that can run a 4.5 forty, with a quick release, velocity and good accuracy (there is a reason why Urban was salivating when he saw BM in the game) Why change the offense when it is already there. Camp should have been grooming BM to take over what we have been building on the last few years.....an actual identity on offense.

There is nothing wrong with POWER and running the I formation.....but against good teams it has rarely worked and we were forced to make plays with an athletic qb. Only one guy on the roster can do that. Good offensive teams do what they do best and do it well. We have been going back and forth between spread and I formation for years.......sure there is a time for each to sprinkle it in.....but please just settle on one and do it well. BM is the future and can throw the ball away just as well as JB. He can also do just as well managing a game if he is told to do so. What he can do is create when plays break down and make a defense account for him. BM is not a mop up qb.....he is a playmaker which is what this offensive staff has to have to make it go against good competition. Go Bucks

Recipe to beat Ohio State with JB. Load the box and cover Stoneburner.
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TP never had the Stan Drayton influenced packages. Braxton has operated a lot of "Florida" plays this off-season with Jordan Hall playing Percy Harvin.

Hence the reason Braxton has been so limited without Hall in the line-up.
 
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billmac91;1990696; said:
TP never had the Stan Drayton influenced packages. Braxton has operated a lot of "Florida" plays this off-season with Jordan Hall playing Percy Harvin.

Hence the reason Braxton has been so limited without Hall in the line-up.
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I think you're reading too much into Stan Drayton's influence on the offensive playcalling. It sounds to me like you're expecting a lot more than we're actually going to see. Only time will tell but if you're expecting a lot of "Florida plays," I think you're bound for dissapointment.
 
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southcampus;1990704; said:
I think you're reading too much into Stan Drayton's influence on the offensive playcalling. It sounds to me like you're expecting a lot more than we're actually going to see. Only time will tell but if you're expecting a lot of "Florida plays," I think you're bound for dissapointment.
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I'm overgeneralizing "Florida plays" to make the larger point that there are packages/plays the team has practiced that specifically involve Miller and Hall.

The use of motion in regards to Hall out of the slot is something that makes Braxton more dangerous and utilizes Hall's agility. I agree we won't see an entire "Florida Spread system" the way Tebow and Harvin were utilized, but I think it makes Braxton at this stage infinitely more dangerous and he's more comfortable with Hall on the field.

I'm 99.9% certain Miller plays against Toledo if Hall isn't suspended. The benefit of Miller in a power run game isn't profound enough when you have the experience of Bauserman. Add a spread running back to Miller in the backfield, and now you've got something.
 
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Well, this staff believes the QBs can run the same plays, which is why you see bizarre calls like QB sweeps with Bauserman, or options with Todd a few years ago.

Drayton adds some different philosophies but he is way down the food chain. Even Hazell, the assistant head coach, only succeeded in implementing his own changes occasionally. See the end of the first half against Wisconsin a few years ago, with an aggressive two minute offense in which Pryor thrived, yet it was back to the same playcalling after halftime.
 
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I hope you're right. I hope BM and JH make a great tandem and we haven't even seen what is to come.

I think we have to stick with a multiple offense. It is more difficult to run but far more versatile than simply being pro or simply being spread.
 
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MaxBuck;1990749; said:
Tough being a football fan, then, huh? :lol:
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Once every 3-4 years isn't so bad... usually. But when you have situations like going in to 2005, or TPs frosh season, or this season, it makes you wonder what the point of camp was. I respect coaches for wanting to do what is best for players, but that devotion has to end somewhere and doing what is best to win games has to start. Maybe I'm making it too black and white, but if one kid is better than the other or is the future of the program, put him in. If he loses a couple of games, who is going to beat him up for it? It would actually be a good learning experience.
 
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jwinslow;1990746; said:
Well, this staff believes the QBs can run the same plays, which is why you see bizarre calls like QB sweeps with Bauserman, or options with Todd a few years ago.

Drayton adds some different philosophies but he is way down the food chain. Even Hazell, the assistant head coach, only succeeded in implementing his own changes occasionally. See the end of the first half against Wisconsin a few years ago, with an aggressive two minute offense in which Pryor thrived, yet it was back to the same playcalling after halftime.
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Um... :topic:
Didn't Hazell move elsewhere to assume a head coaching position?

edit: Never mind. He's at Kent State. Just read the post. Never mind.
 
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jwinslow;1990746; said:
Well, this staff believes the QBs can run the same plays, which is why you see bizarre calls like QB sweeps with Bauserman, or options with Todd a few years ago.

Drayton adds some different philosophies but he is way down the food chain. Even Hazell, the assistant head coach, only succeeded in implementing his own changes occasionally. See the end of the first half against Wisconsin a few years ago, with an aggressive two minute offense in which Pryor thrived, yet it was back to the same playcalling after halftime.
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You bring up a great point. Maybe my frustration from this past weekend is directly tied to this idea. Stale offensive playcalling has been an issue for a long time, but maybe I thought it would change with a new head coach. I guess I expected Fickell to do his own thing and give us a fresher offense to watch. Last week was patented Bollman......
 
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I know this is somewhat off topic but if anything after watching a few games this year. JB was running a lot of the offense.....much more than I thought ......as many thought JT was doing everything, including calling a lot of plays. What I am seeing so far is exactly what we have seen for years. JB has been the man in charge of this offense and JT was deflecting much of the criticism to his shoulders.

LF had no choice but to do what he is doing and letting JB run the offense I wonder if not having DH and down an offensive coach(JT) is making matters even worse. This could statistically be a year like 2004.....YIKES.

What could have been with the tat5 and JT. Go Bucks
 
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daddyphatsacs;1990798; said:
You bring up a great point. Maybe my frustration from this past weekend is directly tied to this idea. Stale offensive playcalling has been an issue for a long time, but maybe I thought it would change with a new head coach. I guess I expected Fickell to do his own thing and give us a fresher offense to watch. Last week was patented Bollman......
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This is not a suprise IMHO. It's the same staff except for Drayton and Vrabel. Luke is a defensive coach so he defers to the offensive wise men.
 
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I hope Braxton and Hall see the field at the same time and I also believe the until Braxton is in there Hall's potential will not be reached. THe plays OSU could use with Braxton/Hall on the field at the same time would better get hall out in space where he can use his shiftiness. But with bauserman's being stationary in the pocket I believe the canes will bring 8 in the box until Bauserman proves he can produce a vertical passing game. I just believe it's gonna be tough running regardless of who's at RB against a much more athletic defense unless Braxton will get in early and often and mix it up. I'm gonna reserve my judgements till after the game though because I have no idea how much Braxton and Hall will be played. We will have to make plays at the QB position in this game because this Miami team put up 24 points on a better OSU defense last year and that was with Harris throwing 3 or 4 picks. Lamar Miller is a dangerous back and we cant give up 2- 100 yd recievers this game and dont expect us to get bailed out a buch of times on 100+ penalty yards Toledo gave us.
 
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