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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

Viking;1205745; said:
All very valid points, but one thing that losing the quarterback competition did 'screw' him out of was his shot at the NFL. The only quarterback I can think of who made it to the NFL without playing in college is Matt Cassel. Zwick was picked up by the Panthers, didn't even make the practice squad (purely a camp arm), and didn't get a shot with another team. Considering the Smith is about to enter his second season in the NFL with a real chance of being a starter, I'd say that the body of work he was able to compile in college, which enabled to earn a real chance on an NFL team (emphasis on real), was hugely important to his current status. From a more panoramic perspective I understand what you are saying, but looking at it purely as an NFL prospect, yes, Zwick was essentially screwed.


Wasnt AJ Feeley, Joey Harrington's back-up?


OCBucksFan;1205935; said:
Not true, you can ask for a 6x6 or an 8x8 and they will make it, they just charge you for the extra patty and cheese.



DUDE, you can order them and they look like that. I need to move to cali....and gain 50 pounds via 10V10's!!
 
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All very valid points, but one thing that losing the quarterback competition did 'screw' him out of was his shot at the NFL. The only quarterback I can think of who made it to the NFL without playing in college is Matt Cassel. Zwick was picked up by the Panthers, didn't even make the practice squad (purely a camp arm), and didn't get a shot with another team. Considering the Smith is about to enter his second season in the NFL with a real chance of being a starter, I'd say that the body of work he was able to compile in college, which enabled to earn a real chance on an NFL team (emphasis on real), was hugely important to his current status. From a more panoramic perspective I understand what you are saying, but looking at it purely as an NFL prospect, yes, Zwick was essentially screwed.
I got screwed, too. Where the hell is my NFL contract, Tressel? :pissed:
 
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Viking;1205745; said:
All very valid points, but one thing that losing the quarterback competition did 'screw' him out of was his shot at the NFL. The only quarterback I can think of who made it to the NFL without playing in college is Matt Cassel. Zwick was picked up by the Panthers, didn't even make the practice squad (purely a camp arm), and didn't get a shot with another team. Considering the Smith is about to enter his second season in the NFL with a real chance of being a starter, I'd say that the body of work he was able to compile in college, which enabled to earn a real chance on an NFL team (emphasis on real), was hugely important to his current status. From a more panoramic perspective I understand what you are saying, but looking at it purely as an NFL prospect, yes, Zwick was essentially screwed.

Not sure if I can agree on Zwick missing out (being screwed) on anything NFL related. tOSU is a top tier program that sends alot of people to the NFL, but you still have to compete to win a starting job. Zwick competed well enough to be a starter for a while, but eventually it became very clear that Troy was a much better player and leader. As with any team the starters get more attention and exposure, thus are more likely to go to the NFL. I guess it could be debated that had Zwick gone to a different program that he could have started and received more exposure but I honestly think he would have had to compete for a starting job there as well. He is a good player, a great Buckeye but I did not see him as a next level player. Troy on the other hand - will work as much as it takes to make himself a starter at any level, and plays with a swagger that makes him a great leader.

Go Bucks! :osu:
 
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I would say that Zwick's performance on the field screwed him more than anything else. Zwick should have been replaced before he got injured. He was simply the 2nd best QB on the roster. The only way that he got screwed by the situation is that he didn't get a second chance. He actually did get a second chance with Smith's suspension, but failed to capitalize. In a way, Zwick's demotion could have saved his reputation. What if he had gone on to lose 4 more games, including UM? He would have been labeled the second coming of S. Bellisari and vilified at every turn. The way it worked out, he is remembered as a good kid and a decent player who just didn't pan out. It's hard to say someone got screwed out of a spot when they lost to NW.
 
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I thought the same thing.. I was PLEADING for tressel to put in smith in 04' and I dunno why but I knew there was something about Troy. I will happily gloat about this but I called it when I saw Troy play in junk time against Iowa. I said he'd do great things at OSU and he'd end up being one of our best QB's. The way he looked so confident out on the field you could just tell he was in controll.

Justin would've started the rest of the year had he stayed upright so maybe you're right.. maybe it was a good thing he had to come out.
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;1205000; said:
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The Troy Smith Story: An Excerpt............

as a tOSU and troy smith fan, thank god for ted ginn sr!

as far as this whole "someones gettin screwed" bs. "screwed" indicates someone is being wronged. troy nor justin can make that claim. justin won the position early in the season due to performance. because of his lack of performance and injury troy was given a second chance. because of troy's performance, he won the starting job and justin didn't get another opportunity to win it back. neither person was screwed. you could certainly argue that in a perfect world both could have excelled in the situation they were in at tOSU if given enough opportunity. but neither were screwed. both had their chances, the ball bounced a certain way and the rest is history.

though in justin's defense, i wouldn't say he was a kid who didn't pan out. id say he was a talented kid who just happened to get a schollie the same time as a hiesman winner. every year another kid gets a little taste of what thats like. doesn't mean they aren't good. just means they are slightly less capable than the best player in college football.
 
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I just don't like the term "screwed". What the hell does that mean? The back-up is getting "screwed". It sounds really immature.
with all due respect you can go back and read some of the threads from the time. but put pluntly troy at that time was immature. he handled the situation poorly, or maybe i should say he could have and should have handled it better.

that being said the world is full of would of could of and should ofs.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1206995; said:
with all due respect you can go back and read some of the threads from the time. but put pluntly troy at that time was immature. he handled the situation poorly, or maybe i should say he could have and should have handled it better.

that being said the world is full of would of could of and should ofs.

I think it's actually full of could'ves and should'ves. :)
 
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martinss01;1206988; said:
though in justin's defense, i wouldn't say he was a kid who didn't pan out. id say he was a talented kid who just happened to get a schollie the same time as a hiesman winner.

Yeah, I think sometimes people need this reminder. An aweful lot of talented kids get stuck behind someone who's slightly better every day in college football. Unfortunately for QBs, that means you sit in the shadows.

I hope people don't think Justin was a failure. The kid certainly had talent and if circumstances were different, he may very well have done fine at OSU. I am a HUGE Troy fan, but I also admired Justin for sticking it out and being a team player.

Now, back to Troy...
 
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Ravens' QB competition is wide open ~ July 19, 2008
Without a returning starter Boller, Smith and Flacco prepare to compete
By Aaron Wilson
( [email protected] )

OWINGS MILLS -- Every crisp spiral carries the weight of a potential statement. An audible can feel like a speech. Each fumble, interception or wobbly throw is heavily scrutinized.

Such is the current existence of Troy Smith, Kyle Boller and Joe Flacco as they duke it out for the right to pledge an elite fraternity: becoming one of the NFL's 32 starting quarterbacks.

As the Ravens stage a rare three-man quarterback competition, the pressure figures to be intense with each candidate making his case for why he should hold the most pivotal position on a team coming off a dreadful season.

Smith, the swaggering former Heisman Trophy winner, seems to be entering the race with a slight edge over Boller, an inconsistent former starter, and Flacco, the towering first-round draft pick with a powerful arm.

Team officials have marveled over Smith's improved accuracy and field presence. By the close of minicamps, he was taking the majority of the snaps with the first-team offense ahead of Boller.

Smith's improved confidence, conditioning and streamlined mechanics are obvious, but he's far from a lock to be the season-opening starter Sept. 7 against the Cincinnati Bengals.

?I think he did an admirable job last year, he?s just trying take the next step forward," linebacker Bart Scott said. "I think this thing is wide open and he has a tremendous opportunity to start at quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens.?

Smith rates highly for his elusiveness and ability to throw on the run. As a rookie, he filled in decently when a since-retired Steve McNair and Boller were out with injuries. He completed 40 of 76 passes for 452 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions and went 1-1 as a starter.

With his teammates believing in him, Smith has to increase the coaches' confidence as he tries to hold off Boller and Flacco.

?At all times, I?m going to be a leader," Smith said. "I?m going to control the things that I know how to control and I don?t worry about, ?May the best man win.? I just worry about the things that I can perfect, within my day-to-day actions.?

However, the former Ohio State star lacks ideal size at 6-foot, 225 pounds.

"A lot of people try to discredit Troy because he doesn?t have the height of a stereotypical quarterback, but he pulls it off," offensive guard Jason Brown said

It's clear that Smith's bid is being taken very seriously by the coaching staff, but it's early.

"I think you can see that he can play quarterback in the NFL, without a question," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "He?s got the arm strength, he can move around and he can operate the offense.

?Under pressure, proving himself in games is going to be up to him. He?s got the ability, without question, to be a starting quarterback in this league.?

Baltimore Ravens News - Ravens' QB competition is wide open

Questions linger for quarterbacks
David Steele
July 20, 2008
Joe Flacco's signing last week means a lot of things, but among them is this: The first-round pick and the quarterback of the future will report to Ravens training camp on time tomorrow.

And this: Tomorrow begins the process of questions about the quarterback situation being asked every single day, from the moment the players and coaches first meet the media upon reporting to Westminster until the regular-season finale three days before New Year's. If then.

Questions linger for quarterbacks -- baltimoresun.com
 
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