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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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NFBuck;1209635; said:
There was. He was a monster at Purdue and would have been a Top-10, if not Top-5, pick if he were 2-3 inches taller.
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Yeah, but even still, he was the first pick of the 2nd round...he didn't fall off the map like Troy did.

I'm sure there were a lot of factors in Troy's fall in the draft. But I seem to remember some announcer talking about how Troy looked better than Brady Quinn in the Buckeye's demolishing of Notre Dame. And that if the draft were that day, Troy would/should go ahead of BQ. I can't help but wonder where Troy would've been drafted if the scUM game was the last game the scouts saw him play in college.

Oh well, who knows...but Troy does have a wonderful opportunity in Baltimore. I can't wait to see him start the season! :wink2:
 
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buckeyes_rock;1209691; said:
Yeah, but even still, he was the first pick of the 2nd round...he didn't fall off the map like Troy did.
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True, but Troy was coming off the worst game of his career and didn't wow anybody at the combine.

I'm sure there were a lot of factors in Troy's fall in the draft. But I seem to remember some announcer talking about how Troy looked better than Brady Quinn in the Buckeye's demolishing of Notre Dame. And that if the draft were that day, Troy would/should go ahead of BQ.
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I doubt Troy would've ever gone before BQ. Quinn has a prototype NFL body and looked good enough in the combine. Even had Troy put up big combine numbers, I still think his height would've caused him to slip out of the 1st round.
I can't help but wonder where Troy would've been drafted if the scUM game was the last game the scouts saw him play in college.
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I distinctly remember Herbie touting him as a top-ten pick after that performance, but you gotta remember, NFL GM's love height in a QB and Troy (IIRC) barely measured in at 6'0. Given his reaction and apparent motivation following his Heisman win, falling in the draft and having doubters in his ear may have ended up being the best thing for him. A motivated TS is as dangerous a player as I've seen.

Oh well, who knows...but Troy does have a wonderful opportunity in Baltimore. I can't wait to see him start the season! :wink2:
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Absolutely. I just hope the ratbirds give him the chance to shine.
 
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buckeyes_rock;1209691; said:
Yeah, but even still, he was the first pick of the 2nd round...he didn't fall off the map like Troy did.

I'm sure there were a lot of factors in Troy's fall in the draft. But I seem to remember some announcer talking about how Troy looked better than Brady Quinn in the Buckeye's demolishing of Notre Dame. And that if the draft were that day, Troy would/should go ahead of BQ. I can't help but wonder where Troy would've been drafted if the scUM game was the last game the scouts saw him play in college.

Oh well, who knows...but Troy does have a wonderful opportunity in Baltimore. I can't wait to see him start the season! :wink2:
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Kirk Herbstreit said the Browns should take Troy at #3 leading into the Championship game. Troy was WITHOUT A DOUBT a first round pick beofre the championship game.

Then everyone said he had never seen a good defense, he wasn't as elusive as previously thought, his work ethic was soft b/c of the Heisman circuit, etc.

100% certain, if OSU plays well against UF, Troy is a first round pick and he's a guaranteed starter this year. That game cost him millions. The good thing for Troy is he has an amazing work ethic and an amazing capability of geting his teammates behind him. I don't doubt for a second Joe Flacco will start at some point early this season, but if he isn;t doing a good job, the players will start making public comments in support of Troy.

I've flip-flopped several times on whether or not Troy will start this year, and I'm thinking they go with Flacco very early now. They built Troy up in the off-season, but as it gets closer to the season coaches begin to sweat out final decesions and going with Flacco eases the pressure of a bad year. A rookie QB takes all of the headlines, not the terrible record. I think Troy buils solid reputation with the Ravens during his tenure and will nake a name somewhere else once his contract is up.

Plus the Ravens don't want a BQ/DA battle going on. We like it as fans but it is a GM nightmare. The Ravens organization want every reason possible to allow Flacco to play without presssure.
 
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billmac91;1209699; said:
Kirk Herbstreit said the Browns should take Troy at #3 leading into the Championship game. Troy was WITHOUT A DOUBT a first round pick beofre the championship game.
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I remember him saying that as well. But I wouldn't say "without a doubt". He'd cetainly be in a better position fo that to happen, but I still believe that his height would've played a factor. Plus he had a poor combine. It's all speculation though because we don't know how he would've done had he been as motivated as he was going into the 2006 season.
I don't doubt for a second Joe Flacco will start at some point early this season, but if he isn;t doing a good job, the players will start making public comments in support of Troy.

I've flip-flopped several times on whether or not Troy will start this year, and I'm thinking they go with Flacco very early now. They built Troy up in the off-season, but as it gets closer to the season coaches begin to sweat out final decesions and going with Flacco eases the pressure of a bad year. A rookie QB takes all of the headlines, not the terrible record. I think Troy buils solid reputation with the Ravens during his tenure and will nake a name somewhere else once his contract is up.

Plus the Ravens don't want a BQ/DA battle going on. We like it as fans but it is a GM nightmare. The Ravens organization want every reason possible to allow Flacco to play without presssure.
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I wouldn't be too sold just yet on Flacco starting early. Remember, he's a pretty raw QB who played at a small school in a non-FCS (or whatever the hell it's called now) school. He's gonna most likely need time to develop and I think the ratbirds know that. If Troy has a good camp, wins the job and takes care of buisness during the season, I feel relatively confident he'll hold onto the job through the season. Now, if they're losing games and Troy is just scraping by and not wowing anyone, then I'd expect them to make a move.

mercer_buckeye;1209750; said:
NO HE WASN'T!!

I love Troy but no team in their right mind would have ever drafted him in the first round. The story I remember about the Browns was take a linemen in the first round and grab Troy in the second.
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There was a lot of clammoring after the scUM game and leading up to the debacle in the desert for the Browns to take the hometown boy. That game took care of that. The general consensus among many fans was for the Browns to take Joe Thomas, but there were a lot of people nervous (myself included) that they would still select Quinn #3 overall right up until Joe's name was called.
 
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mercer_buckeye;1209750; said:
NO HE WASN'T!!

I love Troy but no team in their right mind would have ever drafted him in the first round. The story I remember about the Browns was take a linemen in the first round and grab Troy in the second.
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There was absoluetly heavy debate about who should be taken first between BQ and Troy.

Many pundits were saying Troy should be the first QB taken right up until the national title game and then Troy's height became a major issue.

Players are built up and torn so quickly by national media members and even GM's. Truthfully, if Troy plays a great national title game, everyone makes excuses for his combine performance because that is exactly what these guys do. Build up or tear down based on what every other expert is doing.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1209826; said:
Explain.
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Even if you were to excise just the national championship from Troy's post-season, there were still a number of factors that would hurt his stock.

First and foremost, regardless of how it affects his ability to actually play football, is his height. Troy measured in at exactly 6' 0", maybe 6 feet and an eighth. That alone makes him a late first-early second round pick, much like Drew Brees.

After that there were doubts about his escapability. These reservations may have been rooted in the BCSNCG, but his relatively poor (4.71 if I recall correctly) 40 time might have either initiated or given substance to those thoughts. Combine this with the height issue and you have a mid-second to mid-third round pick.

Now, Smith is my favorite player, bar none, so I could be forgetting some stuff. His work ethic was questioned after seeming a bit soft, but that was mostly around the time of the BCSNCG, which we are ignoring for the moment. There were also questions about his arm strength (which I never really understood) and his accuracy on intermediate throws (which was at least more understandable to me, if not totally valid). Given these other minor questions and the major concerns as well, Troy is now, in all likelihood, a solid third round prospect.

Since the Lions and Dolphins were obviously in love with their respective second round quarterbacks (both being considered reaches to an extent due at least in part to Stanton's inconsistency and Beck's age), Troy would be, in my eyes, picked anywhere from after Stanton (44) to before Stanback (103). I think it is interesting that he might have a similar value to Edwards, albeit for very different reasons. Smith would be college star who might not ever hack it in the pros, while Edwards got abused at Stanford was considered to perhaps translate well and be a real player in the NFL.
 
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Viking;1211016; said:
Even if you were to excise just the national championship from Troy's post-season, there were still a number of factors that would hurt his stock.

First and foremost, regardless of how it affects his ability to actually play football, is his height. Troy measured in at exactly 6' 0", maybe 6 feet and an eighth. That alone makes him a late first-early second round pick, much like Drew Brees.

After that there were doubts about his escapability. These reservations may have been rooted in the BCSNCG, but his relatively poor (4.71 if I recall correctly) 40 time might have either initiated or given substance to those thoughts. Combine this with the height issue and you have a mid-second to mid-third round pick.

Now, Smith is my favorite player, bar none, so I could be forgetting some stuff. His work ethic was questioned after seeming a bit soft, but that was mostly around the time of the BCSNCG, which we are ignoring for the moment. There were also questions about his arm strength (which I never really understood) and his accuracy on intermediate throws (which was at least more understandable to me, if not totally valid). Given these other minor questions and the major concerns as well, Troy is now, in all likelihood, a solid third round prospect.

Since the Lions and Dolphins were obviously in love with their respective second round quarterbacks (both being considered reaches to an extent due at least in part to Stanton's inconsistency and Beck's age), Troy would be, in my eyes, picked anywhere from after Stanton (44) to before Stanback (103). I think it is interesting that he might have a similar value to Edwards, albeit for very different reasons. Smith would be college star who might not ever hack it in the pros, while Edwards got abused at Stanford was considered to perhaps translate well and be a real player in the NFL.
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While I see what you are saying, it's so easily forgotten that after he won the Heisman, everyone was saying that the Browns should use their first round pick on him. Whether that would have happend or not, I don't know, but had he had the opportunity to perform like he had all season during the NCG, it would have helped his stock and he wouldn't have fallen beyond the third round.

Either way, I think he's in a good spot, all he needs is a real chance.
 
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Rough start for Troy Smith

Troy Smith took the first snaps in the Ravens' red-zone drills but didn't impress.

In six plays, he was 1-for-5 passing with three interceptions and a fumbled snap. One of the interceptions was made by secondary coach Chuck Pagano, who was filling in as a defensive back.

Kyle Boller was 4-for-4 in the same drill but threw all short passes. Joe Flacco was 1-for-3, but his one completion was a tough pass over the middle to Patrick Carter.
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Ravens Central: Rough start for Troy Smith - News and notes on the Baltimore Ravens, football and the NFL - baltimoresun.com

Trio of Ravens QB begin friendly competition
By David Ginsburg, AP Sports Writer

WESTMINSTER, Md. — All three Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks seem to genuinely like each other, which makes for a rather friendly competition in their bid to claim the starting job.

On the first day of training camp Tuesday, Kyle Boller, Troy Smith and Joe Flacco spoke about working together to make Baltimore a better team. They insisted that the three-way duel would only serve to improve each of them in the days leading up to the Sept. 7 opener against Cincinnati.

"Any way I can help Troy and Joe out, I'm going to do it," said Boller, whose 42 career starts is 40 more than the other two quarterbacks combined.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-07-22-2781712504_x.htm
 
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ESPN - Ravens training camp notes - NFL Nation

Ravens training camp notes
July 22, 2008 9:33 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
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SmithBoller WESTMINSTER, Md. -- The first two-a-days of the season for the Baltimore Ravens were all about the quarterbacks. Rookie head coach John Harbaugh -- who actually played some cornerback Tuesday --cautioned the local and national media in attendance that this is not considered an "evaluation day" until the entire team reports to camp. The practices were pretty thin and involved just rookies, quarterbacks and players coming off injuries.
But we will give you some first-day observations of the quarterbacks anyway:


  • Troy Smith had the toughest day of the trio with three interceptions total in 7-on-7 drills. One wasn't Smith's fault, as a receiver dropped the ball in the end zone and it was tipped to rookie safety Tom Zbikowski. But physically, Smith looks in tremendous shape. He says he ran a ton in the offseason and ended up coming in a couple of pounds lighter than his ideal playing weight of 215 pounds.
"I don't know what it is,'' Smith said. "I guess it's just a lot of water weight that I'm losing, but I checked in at camp at 213 (pounds). So I'm doing pretty good."
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Ravens training camp postcard - Don Banks - SI.com

Three Observations

1. Flacco vs. Smith vs. Boller: It's way early in the Ravens' three-man camp quarterback competition, but it's never too early to start reading the tea leaves. I continue to think second-year man Troy Smith has the inside track on starting for Week 1, but do not discount rookie Joe Flacco's chances to force Baltimore into a tough decision over whether to play him right away. "I want to make it an easy decision, and I want to be the guy,'' Flacco told me Tuesday morning, moments after completing his very first NFL training camp practice. "I don't want to make it a tough decision. I want to make it as easy as possible. I want to go out here and prove that I'm the best and it's clear-cut. Those are my expectations.''

Flacco probably had the roughest practice session of his young Ravens career so far -- offseason workouts included -- on Tuesday, but his arm strength and accuracy are still eye-opening at times. He throws the ball on a line, and his delivery looks effortless.

"What you saw today is the worst he's thrown since he's been here,'' new Ravens head coach John Harbaugh said. "I think he's a little amped up. He overthrew a bunch of balls on the outside, but those balls had been on the money before today.''

Smith struggled mightily with his accuracy in Tuesday morning's workout, and if there's a knock on him, that's it. As for sixth-year veteran Kyle Boller, he played it safe mostly, dumping the ball off most of the time. Boller seems destined for Baltimore's No. 3 spot, but I still wonder if having Billick's stamp on him is the biggest hurdle he faces within the Ravens organization.
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Former Heisman winner Troy Smith appears to have the inside track to starting the Ravens' opener against Cincinnati on Sept. 7.
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