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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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All can not be blamed on Troy, but he isn't comfortable after the snap in the vast majority of plays. Canons tend to have the same rate of fire at short and long range. No ability to fake...a product of a system that doesn't incorporate deception to any degree. No consistent setup and no pump fake from setup or run. Scampering to and fro merely allows D to close. OLine fair, but got eaten up more than not. Troy holds onto the ball too long...he misses his early decision point on many (not all) passes, then pulls the ball down almost immediately. Good motivational base, good motivation to succeed, but TS will never attain much more than an "average" rating at QB overall, imho. I think his leadership skills at this point might outmatch Zwick's, but success and overcoming adversity create leadership, not failing to hammer in 2 or 3 times in red zone when the team is there on the 8, the 12 and the 6...and fails for any reason to score 6. Just my old-man opinion. The magic isn't there yet. And believe me, I don't want to take anything away from Troy Smith...he has talent and attitude to succeed.

We have way too much WR, TE and RB talent to be flummoxed as we were today and in our other 3 losses. It's a TEAM effort, and the TEAM shares the good and the bad play.

Note how Purdue QBs mostly looked absolutely relaxed prior to toss. Orten is a master and our rush or non-rush on him made him look like he was passing from a lazyBoy in the last series. The starting QB looked as qualified in 80% of his plays for Purdue.

The Buck backfield has yet to see the game in slo-mo...that quality of play that separates the good from the damned good.

No question Bucks have marvelous talent all around. Question is: how does Tressel shape and guide and put plans and training into effect to take advantage?
 
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ysubuck said:
Todd Boekman is the best QB on the roster right now according to those who have seen him in practice.
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I've heard the same, but what I wonder is if he's the best QB we've got, why wait to play him? I realize they wanted to space the QB's out and give him a redshirt but why not let him take his lumps this year if he's gonna be the starting QB next year anyway?
 
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Didn't tape the game today, so I have nothing to go back to for review, but....

1. I think Smith's timing on throws is still off. Someone in an earlier post mentioned "happy feet". When he settled down for even 1-2 seconds, he made good throws, coming from good decisions, like the one to Gonzalez across the middle late in the game. But, when he danced around back there, the timing and accuracy were off and either we had an ugly incomplete pass or an uglier interception (referring to the red zone pick). Obviously, it's good to have a QB that can buy some time when the pocket collapses, but that shouldn't be his primary decision. Give the pattern a little bit of time to develope - I know we're only talking 2-3 seconds here - , try to trust your lineman to make a usable pocket, set and throw the ball.

2. Locking onto one reciever. Any good cover guy will be watching you watch your receiver (at least in zone coverage) and be able to break on the ball to break up the pass or worse. I would also add, though, that the game is played at such a high speed and decisions have to be made in parts of a second. We can see the open receiver from our seats high in the stadium or resting on our sofa's, but can the QB see him, too? The one play before Smith ran it in for a TD, he tried to force a pass to Holmes in the corner. At the same time, someone (didn't catch number) was running the opposite way across the back of the end zone, no defenders within 5 yards or more. I'm screaming at the TV for Smith to throw the open guy the ball. Of course, I remember that Smith had about 7-8 guys between him and open receiver, so could he even have seen him if he had taken the split second to look...he's running the opposite direction, so to stop and throw the ball back across the end zone would have been pretty tough, though it's likely a TD would have resulted from a properly thrown ball and good use of hands by receiver.

Side note (I'm rambling now). The offense sure looks fast in the spread with Pittman in backfield taking those toss sweeps around the side. We ran a few of those with good success, but didn't run them often enough, meaning Purdue didn't seem to stop them for less than a 5 yd gain...let's see....two of those means a first down, right?, Ginn and Holmes running those quick slants which are practically indefensible. Bob Davies (sp?) made mention of that several times and I must say I agree. It makes the best use of their best play makers. Ok, I'm done now.
 
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craigblitz said:
For real, I am not saying right or wrong, but I think Zwick gives us a better change to beat Michigan, but do not feel like getting into the Smith/Zwick juk anymore....
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Zwick is better than smith if he is standing still in the pocket with no one in his face. Smith plays much better than Zwick does under pressure or on the run. Zwick seems to go through his reads better, but if he gets rattled he falls apart. Smith runs the ball better than Zwick and gives the maligned offense another option. With the pressure scUM will put on the QBs I will take my chance with Smith.

DiHard said:
smith reads option one....then tucks and runs....
zwick could check down as far as 3 , while he was playing, before running.....
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That's the main problem with Zwick. Our offensive line wouldn't give him time to check down, he would either panic and force it or take the sack. If you put him behind scUM or Wiskys offensive line I think he is a freshmen of the year candidate.

Considering everything, as long as Jim Bollman is on the staff, and our offensive line sucks, IMO Smith holds a slight advantage over Zwick.
 
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Im too lazy to check all of these posts so i might be stating a question from before, but why the hell don't we throw the ball deep to TG2, i mean for pete sake just tell him to run as fast as he can and we will get him the ball, it should be just like backyard football?....all i see is us throwing the ball to him on short stuff, and the bubble screens and what not. Another thing that is bothering me is why we took Santonio off the punt team, why stop a good thing?
 
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If I am JT with that stupid sheet he reads from on the sidelines.
When Troy walks over to the sideline to read that sheet with him, I say.

"Troy, tell Teddy to run as fast as he can down the right hashmark. Troy, take a 5 step drop, and throw the ball as far, and high as you can down the right hashmark"

Then send in Nuuuug for the PAT.
 
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I'd agree that the coaches really don't seem to trust Smith as well as they do Zwick. In the games he's started, it seems like he's never allowed to throw much, especially deep balls which would seem to make sense given the speed of Ginn, Holmes, and Gonzalez. Maybe it's because he always tucks and runs before the receivers can get deep, but I think he only threw one deep ball all day at purdue.

Unlike the last 3 games Smith started, he actually had to make plays today and he didn't get it done. He's done absolutely nothing, in my mind, to warrant playing over Zwick (assuming both are healthy, of course).
 
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I don't think there is a noticable difference between Smith and Zwick, but it does seem that the more Smith plays the happier his feet get, I know the protection is not the greatest but he has to look for his recievers before he take off.

Also I realize we were missing some important defensive backs but you can not expect to play that zone defense ( 12 to 15 yards off the reciever ) and not expect the other team to exploit it. I would rather get beat on a 60 yard pass than 6 ten yard passes, at least we get the ball back in time to do something.

While I'm at it, are we the only team that needs 8 yards and constantly throws a 4 yard pass, any other team we play that needs 8 yards throws a 8 or 10 yard pass.
 
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Smith, like Zwick has regressed.
I think you could out Linart, or Jason White in this offense, and by the end of the year, we would all think they sucked too.

The problem is not the QB.......................................................................
 
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I disagree buckzip......

Although Smith hasn't lit it up he still has progressed from his first start all the way into even yes this game. The only thing thats different is that luck/and his own errors didn't fall his way.

I thought he hit the short routes nice. Made some mistakes everyone was waiting for, but by no means has he gotten worse..... Lets just stick with him and see what happens for THE GAME.
 
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Well Grad I noted that he made mistakes, but the difference is the bounces went his way in the first 3 and in this one it just didn't happen. I never said he improved in this game, but rather just some mistakes helped him stay at the same level rather than improve.


I was saying he improved all the way up to this game, and just played decently last night.....
 
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bukIpower said:
Although Smith hasn't lit it up he still has progressed from his first start all the way into even yes this game... but by no means has he gotten worse.....
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I'd say your assertion points to his improvement...you either get better or you get worse in sports. Smith's poor decisions helped cost a game this time...

I'd say he took a step back
 
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