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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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I was more impressed with the change we saw in Flacco than the numbers themselves. You can probably find posts that I made earlier in this thread about Troy deserving to start over Flacco because Joe was looking awful. Then he suddenly stopped being awful, and started playing above-average ball for a rookie QB.
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What did you think about the change in the postseason?

9-23 135 yds 0-0, 11-22 161 yds 1-0, 13-30 141 0-3.
 
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jwinslow;1385705; said:
What did you think about the change in the postseason?

9-23 135 yds 0-0, 11-22 161 yds 1-0, 13-30 141 0-3.
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His stats were not flattering, but he made some clutch throws at the end of the Titans game.

I didn't watch the Miami game.

Definitely struggled against the Steelers, but I'd still be picking my jaw up from the floor if he didn't struggle against them.
 
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If Troy gave them the best chance to win, then he'd be starting. Do you think they'd hinder the team's growth by playing the worse of the two QBs? It's not like Troy is old.

If Troy is worthy of being an NFL starter, then he will get his chance. He's an ambitious guy, and a talented guy, so I see him doing what he needs to do to give himself that chance.

It's completely irrelevant to compare fans when the QBs in question aren't in the same situation at all. Cleveland fans were hardly on a high at the end of last season, given the way Anderson collapsed. I'll pass on childish insults. It only takes away from your credibility, not mine.

On Dilfer.. you compared a rookie who has looked average, much better than what anyone expected a D1-AA QB to look as a rookie in the NFL, to a guy at the end of his career, who was average (at best) his entire career. If you don't see what the problem is with that comparison, then I'm not sure I even want to discuss this subject with you.

I didn't realize the Ravens were stacked with talent on the offensive line and WR positions. They have an aging Derek Mason as their best WR. Who else? A couple average guys (couple is stretching it - Mark Clayton and Yamon Figurs, and a Todd Heap who has struggled to stay healthy and is a shadow of his former self), but nothing worthy of a "stacked with talent" label. Their offensive line is definitely solid with run blocking, but pass blocking has been suspect for a couple years. Flacco was sacked 32 times, bad enough for 25th in the league. Blame lies both on Flacco and the offensive line, but I'm having a hard time believing that the offense is stacked with talent.

I happen to think that the second half of his regular season was impressive. If you don't think so, I can't change your mind.
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Who would displace the starting QB, who is the first round pick mind you, when the team was winning early in the season. Despite playing in the first 3 weeks of the season Cincy, Bye week, and Cleveland he was awarded the starting position. Now, I agree with Harbaugh, he needs someone to be the man but Flacco hardly earned anything.

I mean it's like me entering an Amatuer Bodybuilding show and being the Only Competitor, of course i'm going to win 1st place. However, there's a clear reason why it was a 2 horse race between Troy and Boller. They were clearly better QB's at that time than Flacco. What changed? Nothing that Flacco did, but rather the QB who started the year was going to get the first shot until they proved they were failing the team.

They started the season 2-3 with wins over the Ohio teams, and loses to Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and the Titans. Then they go on a run where the beat the power houses Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, and Houston. After this they lose to another good team in the Giants, and then start another winning steak of the Eagles (best win of their season), cincy, washington and finish up with wins over the cowboys (who didn't beat them at the end of the year), and the Jaguars.

His highest passing games of the year? 297 against the Jaguars, 280 against Cincy, and 248 against Cleveland.

His performances regaurdless was not as great as everyone says. Good enough to keep his job? Heck yes I would've kept him as the starter too, but I also don't want to hear about Flacco lighting the world on fire either.

Flacco Performed well against the bad teams (as he should have), but didn't particularly play well against any of the teams he faced with a pulse.

I also believe what another poster said. The Ravens were about DEFENSE, a strong running game, and vertical passing game. The QB just had to not try and screw it up too bad, and to his credit I guess he didn't do that bad. However, you have to admitt that schedule doesn't exactly scream elite.

Personally I feel Troy leads the team to the same amount of wins and probably makes the offense more explosive. After all there was a reason why he was #1 and Flacco was #3 right before the season started. Poor Troy though because had Baltimore played The steelers, Titans and Indianapolis first instead of Cincy/Cleveland Troy probably ends up starting. I credit Troy getting sick, and the beginning schedule as to why Flacco is now entrenched as their starting QB. Also so he was sacked 32 times, but one has to look at the offense as a whole on that. Flacco was responsible for some, as are the recievers, and the offensive line. It just wasn't the offensive line that gave up those sacks. If anything a rookie QB who isnt' sure where to throw the ball is likely to take sacks regaurdless of the protection. I think Troy could've helped them there.

Hopefully Troy keeps battling and finds another team, because unlike what another poster said He will not be the starting QB of Baltimore unless Flacco gets hurt. Even then, when Flacco were to return he would be the starter once again. Bad timing for everything as far as Troy is concerned.
 
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matcar;1385755; said:
I would love for Troy to get a shot somewhere, but Flacco's first year reminds me of Rothleshamburgler. I can't see the Raven's moving away from him now.
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You mean Rottenburger? :biggrin:

But yeah, I've made that comparison as well. Probably not fair to Flacco, but I'm sure I'll never root for the guy. :biggrin:

I sure hope some team gives Troy a chance!
 
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jwinslow;1385705; said:
What did you think about the change in the postseason?

9-23 135 yds 0-0, 11-22 161 yds 1-0, 13-30 141 0-3.
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Those numbers speak volumes. Flacco is a prime example of how bad of a QB you can be in the NFL and yet still win games and make everyone forget how poorly you perform, if you simply have a good defense behind you. Put Flacco on a team with a horrible or even average defense, and he'd lead his team to a 4-12 record and be known as one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. He's gotten his accolades solely by riding the coattails of the Ravens' defense, and his stats prove it.
 
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Thump;1388536; said:
And lost to Miami.
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Can't give a QB a loss for a game he didn't even start, plus from when he was in the loss was hardly his fault. He drove them down to the field for what would've been the winning touchdown but they decided to kick a field goal on 4th and goal just inches from the goal line to force OT. I don't think it was Troy's fault either that they gave up a 65-yard TD pass to Greg freakin' Camarillo in OT either.
 
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Unibrow sucks. Of course, his receiving corps sucks too and his line was not nearly as good as they have been. Ok, he doesn't suck, but any number of qb's could have put up those pedestrian numbers and still succeeded with the 2008 Ravens. He had no game winning passes and finished in the top of the league in only one category: interceptions.

This team won in spite of Joe Flacco, not because of him. They won because they were 4th in the NFL in rushing(and their defense kicked ass). While I'm not saying TS would have done any better, it's certainly not a reach to say he could have accomplished the same result.
 
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Brutus1;1389160; said:
Unibrow sucks. Of course, his receiving corps sucks too and his line was not nearly as good as they have been. Ok, he doesn't suck, but any number of qb's could have put up those pedestrian numbers and still succeeded with the 2008 Ravens. He had no game winning passes and finished in the top of the league in only one category: interceptions.

This team won in spite of Joe Flacco, not because of him. They won because they were 4th in the NFL in rushing. While I'm not saying TS would have done any better, it's certainly not a reach to say he could have accomplished the same result.
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I'll flat out say he could have done better. The proof....... I'll get back to you on that.:tongue2:

Edit: see below.
 
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In a recent NFL network showm Rod Woodson showed some Troy Smith love saying he had the "It" factor and that he would in fact listen to trade options for Flacco because of his confidance in Troy.
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Also in an interview with Rex Ryan, he was asked who the next Matt Cassel will be, and he said Troy Smith.
Someone else told me that during nfl total access they said Troy would be the surprise QB of 2009, but I didn't see it so idk
 
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