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we can't really predict what team TS will go to until the season is over and the draft order is set, so right now its really up in the air.
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zBuckeye10z;695941; said:
Nothing like overstating the obvious! I don't think any of the posters in this thread are in here to pick exactly when and where he will go. The fun is in the speculation and finding the right fit for him.
If not for those intangibles, what is the point of a chat room?
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Okinawa's#1Buck
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fourteenandoh;693431; said:
Gots to keep 'em in line from time to time.
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SanAntonioBuck
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BB73;693890; said:Troy should shine in the Senior Bowl compared to BQ, since Troy is more of a 'Mobile' quarterback.
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The KSB
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There is now footage of Troy's infamous Heisman celibration. Not good, not good.
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Crennel says height not crucial for QBs
By Sean McClelland
Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 27, 2006
BEREA ? Troy Smith's height alone apparently would not deter the Cleveland Browns from drafting the Ohio State quarterback.
Smith's name wasn't mentioned, but head coach Romeo Crennel implied as much Tuesday when asked a general question about the importance of size at the position. Smith is listed at 6-foot-1, perhaps generously so.
Crennel says height not crucial for QBs
By Sean McClelland
Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 27, 2006
BEREA ? Troy Smith's height alone apparently would not deter the Cleveland Browns from drafting the Ohio State quarterback.
Smith's name wasn't mentioned, but head coach Romeo Crennel implied as much Tuesday when asked a general question about the importance of size at the position. Smith is listed at 6-foot-1, perhaps generously so.
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Not sure if a post like this has been made in this thread, but here goes anyways. Troy Smith has the following career stats against Michigan:
Career:
Passing: 69-101-1, 857 yards, 7 TDs
Rushing: 33 rushes, 194 yards, 2 TDs
Total: 1051 yards, 9 TDs
Per-game average (rounded):
Passing: 23-34-0 (67.6%), 286 yards, 2 TDs
Rushing: 11 rushes, 65 yards (5.9 ypc) 1 TD
Total: 351 yards, 3 TDs
Individual game stats:
2006: 29-41-1, 316 yards, 4 TDs (4 rushes for 12 yards)
2005: 27-37-0, 300 yards, 1 TD (11 rushes for 37 yards, 1 TD)
2004: 13-23-0, 241 yards, 2 TDs (18 rushes for 145 yards, 1 TD)
Career:
Passing: 69-101-1, 857 yards, 7 TDs
Rushing: 33 rushes, 194 yards, 2 TDs
Total: 1051 yards, 9 TDs
Per-game average (rounded):
Passing: 23-34-0 (67.6%), 286 yards, 2 TDs
Rushing: 11 rushes, 65 yards (5.9 ypc) 1 TD
Total: 351 yards, 3 TDs
Individual game stats:
2006: 29-41-1, 316 yards, 4 TDs (4 rushes for 12 yards)
2005: 27-37-0, 300 yards, 1 TD (11 rushes for 37 yards, 1 TD)
2004: 13-23-0, 241 yards, 2 TDs (18 rushes for 145 yards, 1 TD)
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Free Agents like Garcia need to land before we know what teams need a QB as well. Right now of the top 4 teams in the draft (Detroit, Oakland, Cleveland and Tampa) 3 need a QB, TB is set for a while with Gradkowski.
I'd say look for a late 1st round team with a good QB thats looking to draft and groom the next one. As bad as I'd hate to see it, Baltimore comes to mind. I think its safe to say the Boller experiment is over and McNair just can't last that much longer. Also McNair and Troy are very similar in their raw leadership abilities and toughness. Troy could have a much worse NFL QB mentor than Steve M.
The Jets are the other AFC team I could see taking him mid to late 1st round. The Dolphins are probably too determined to see Culpepper work out to consider it but they could damn sure use Troy.
NFC wise you have a lot more. Is Philly ready to start grooming McNabbs replacement? How sold on Romo is Dallas? The Bears would be wise to consider a QB late 1st round. The Packers sure don't seem to have an heir to Favre ready but they'll be higher 1st round. The Rams are another possibility.
Another factor is the Texans. What I mean is that the Browns have to be looking at the Texans and what a love fest they could be having right now if they took the local legend in VY last year. TS is as safe a pick for the Browns as they come. He'll probably be a very good NFL QB and even if he isn't, being the local legend will buy them a lot of grace with the fans. NO ONE in the state of Ohio is going to get on TS they way they did recent draft busts(not saying he'll be one, just IF).
If I'm the Browns I take a lesson from the Texans snafu, work out a decent contract behind the scenes for taking him higher than he probably would have gone, bask in some fan love for once, sell more tickets/merchandise and probably have your QB of the future to boot.
I'd say look for a late 1st round team with a good QB thats looking to draft and groom the next one. As bad as I'd hate to see it, Baltimore comes to mind. I think its safe to say the Boller experiment is over and McNair just can't last that much longer. Also McNair and Troy are very similar in their raw leadership abilities and toughness. Troy could have a much worse NFL QB mentor than Steve M.
The Jets are the other AFC team I could see taking him mid to late 1st round. The Dolphins are probably too determined to see Culpepper work out to consider it but they could damn sure use Troy.
NFC wise you have a lot more. Is Philly ready to start grooming McNabbs replacement? How sold on Romo is Dallas? The Bears would be wise to consider a QB late 1st round. The Packers sure don't seem to have an heir to Favre ready but they'll be higher 1st round. The Rams are another possibility.
Another factor is the Texans. What I mean is that the Browns have to be looking at the Texans and what a love fest they could be having right now if they took the local legend in VY last year. TS is as safe a pick for the Browns as they come. He'll probably be a very good NFL QB and even if he isn't, being the local legend will buy them a lot of grace with the fans. NO ONE in the state of Ohio is going to get on TS they way they did recent draft busts(not saying he'll be one, just IF).
If I'm the Browns I take a lesson from the Texans snafu, work out a decent contract behind the scenes for taking him higher than he probably would have gone, bask in some fan love for once, sell more tickets/merchandise and probably have your QB of the future to boot.
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Stewart, I have an issue I'd like you to address. Continually, people keep saying that Troy Smith reminds them of Seneca Wallace, Tee Martin, Charlie Ward and other athletic quarterbacks who didn't make it at the next level. Granted, Troy is very athletic, but he has developed as a pure passer so much in the past year that to mention him with the likes of the players I mentioned earlier is an insult to his development.
-- Jeff Bell, Broadview Heights, Ohio
C'mon -- there couldn't possibly be anyone making those kind of comparisons.
Is it just me, or are there striking similarities between 2006 Troy Smith and 1993 Charlie Ward?
-- Jay Horton, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
OK ... I stand corrected.
Is Troy Smith the next Charlie Ward, Brad Banks, Eric Crouch, Joe Hamilton or Michael Robinson?
-- Bill, Washington Township, N.J.
Dear lord. I guess this just goes to show that the age-old bias against black quarterbacks is alive and well. Honestly, can you think of any other characteristic whatsoever that Troy Smith holds in common with Seneca Wallace or Michael Robinson?
Now before everybody jumps all over me for playing the "race card," let me specify that I'm talking strictly about football here. I'm not suggesting that anyone who compares Troy Smith to Seneca Wallace is a racist. But when it comes to football, there remains a significant section of the population -- both among fans and, more disturbingly, higher-ups within the sport -- who hold on to the stereotype that black quarterbacks are runners first, passers second. That's what Smith was when he first came on the scene two years ago, and I guess there are people out there who've held on to that notion -- undoubtedly the same people who said Vince Young would never make it in the NFL -- despite the fact Smith ran for a whopping 233 yards this season while finishing as the nation's fourth-rated passer for a second straight year.
I was watching a replay of the Ohio State-Michigan game a couple weeks ago, and Kirk Herbstreit made the most valid NFL quarterback comparison I've heard in regards to Smith: Drew Brees. They're of similar height, both played in shotgun-spread offenses in college, both know how to use their feet to buy more time in the pocket and both are extremely patient passers adept at going through their progressions and finding the open receiver. And I'm guessing the only reason you don't hear that comparison more often is because Brees is white.
Stewart, I have an issue I'd like you to address. Continually, people keep saying that Troy Smith reminds them of Seneca Wallace, Tee Martin, Charlie Ward and other athletic quarterbacks who didn't make it at the next level. Granted, Troy is very athletic, but he has developed as a pure passer so much in the past year that to mention him with the likes of the players I mentioned earlier is an insult to his development.
-- Jeff Bell, Broadview Heights, Ohio
C'mon -- there couldn't possibly be anyone making those kind of comparisons.
Is it just me, or are there striking similarities between 2006 Troy Smith and 1993 Charlie Ward?
-- Jay Horton, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
OK ... I stand corrected.
Is Troy Smith the next Charlie Ward, Brad Banks, Eric Crouch, Joe Hamilton or Michael Robinson?
-- Bill, Washington Township, N.J.
Dear lord. I guess this just goes to show that the age-old bias against black quarterbacks is alive and well. Honestly, can you think of any other characteristic whatsoever that Troy Smith holds in common with Seneca Wallace or Michael Robinson?
Now before everybody jumps all over me for playing the "race card," let me specify that I'm talking strictly about football here. I'm not suggesting that anyone who compares Troy Smith to Seneca Wallace is a racist. But when it comes to football, there remains a significant section of the population -- both among fans and, more disturbingly, higher-ups within the sport -- who hold on to the stereotype that black quarterbacks are runners first, passers second. That's what Smith was when he first came on the scene two years ago, and I guess there are people out there who've held on to that notion -- undoubtedly the same people who said Vince Young would never make it in the NFL -- despite the fact Smith ran for a whopping 233 yards this season while finishing as the nation's fourth-rated passer for a second straight year.
I was watching a replay of the Ohio State-Michigan game a couple weeks ago, and Kirk Herbstreit made the most valid NFL quarterback comparison I've heard in regards to Smith: Drew Brees. They're of similar height, both played in shotgun-spread offenses in college, both know how to use their feet to buy more time in the pocket and both are extremely patient passers adept at going through their progressions and finding the open receiver. And I'm guessing the only reason you don't hear that comparison more often is because Brees is white.
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