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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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Growth is subjective.. and so I'll grant there has been some growth... altho I am concerned how he would do against the best defenses... versus the defenses he has faced over the last few weeks... His performance against PSU didn't convey growth... it was not comforting to see Smith look so confused... I know his athletic talent is immense... I just wish he had Zwicks head... and touch... or I wish Zwick had Troy's body and arm...

I morph these two together and even Vince Young doesn't go to Manhattan to pick up hardware...
 
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Troy Smith has grown in front of our eyes, from week to week he just gets better and better. He looks more comfortable in the pocket, goes through all of his reads before he takes off, isnt turning the ball over, and is developing a great feel for the game. I am excited as hell to have him back next year, hes having a great year, and is a great football player. You dont hear announcers talk about how tough he is either, but he is a true gamer.
 
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It pains me to read some of these isolated racial comments about our Buckeyes. When one reaches for the "racial" argument, he or she has already lost their point. These comments create conflict and diminish the originator.

I recall our pre-season interchange with Texas fans. Many of them made a point of how Young had progressed as a qb last year, over the summer and into our game in Sept. It was the typical progression of a qb story...just the same as what's going on with TS this season.

It's obvious to me from watching our Bucks and from reading players' comments that TS is their leader, he's well respected and each week he improves. JT and staff have decades of coaching experience and in judging youngsters playing abilities. What's not to like?
 
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osugrad21 said:
Agreed 100%. He is by no means a finished product, but he has shown steps to becoming an exceptional QB.
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I'm really looking forward to see the big payoff of the experience and confidence he has been gaining in these last few weeks against scUM and our bowl game. Granted, the competition hasn't been the stiffest, but you cannot overlook the confidence and swagger a QB can gain from these types of performances (and that Troy has been showing). If he can put up some good games in those games, I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting Heisman plugs next season. I'm getting ahead of myself, but I have a lot more confidence in him now then ever before.
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FindlayBucks said:
I don't see how his statement is misleading. Troy Smith has a better TD/INT ration than the QB's he named. You can't argue that. How many great D's has Leinart faced? Young? Stanton? 0, 1, and 1?
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How many great D's has Troy faced, 1 and a half (PSU and half of the game against Texas)? We lost both of those games. Except for us and Penn St the defenses in the Big 10 suck this year. Troy has yet to play well against a good defense, but at least there aren't any left in the Big 10 so we should cruise through the next 2 games and go to a good bowl game unless scum can pick it up on D.
 
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So I guess that Troy has been throwing to a buch of unguarded recievers all year then?

exhawg
When you give Smith no credit, you are discrediting the whole offense, as it takes all 11 players on the field to execute a play, so if you say that Smith hasn't played against any good defenses (exept 2) You might as well throw in everyones name, Boone, Datish, Ginn, Holmes, Gonzo, Pittman etc.
because if you look at the two games we lost Smiths numbers weren't the only ones that were down production wise.
 
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exhawg said:
How many great D's has Troy faced, 1 and a half (PSU and half of the game against Texas)? We lost both of those games. Except for us and Penn St the defenses in the Big 10 suck this year. Troy has yet to play well against a good defense, but at least there aren't any left in the Big 10 so we should cruise through the next 2 games and go to a good bowl game unless scum can pick it up on D.
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I guess...but the other 10 QBs are going up against these same defenses...and last I checked they were all behind Troy Smith in their stats in Big 10 games. So how come they aren't all doing it too? To put up the numbers Troy is in the Big 10...then you have to be consistent and pretty damn good. If it were so easy to put up these numbers against Big 10 defenses, then the rest of the QBs would be doing it too. Right now, I feel, Troy Smith is the best QB in the Big 10. If you want to say it's the recievers, or the oppoents...fine...but I don't care what Big 10 QB you put on this team...he isn't going to put up better numbers than Troy is.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2218617

great story about smith. hooley did throw in a few barbs i didnt care for such as "slumming at #10" but theu were probably directed at fans moreso than the team itself. but he still couldnt resist his little pot shots. Aside from that, he says what many people have been thinking. He does give JT credit for punishing smith above what the ncaa did.

By Bruce Hooley
Special to ESPN.com

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It's one of those things coaches say to shame players into attending summer workouts or watching more film during their off hours:
"If you want to win a national championship, you have to pay the price."
They never tell you exactly what the price is, of course, because no one really knows what a national championship costs.
Except Ohio State.
Venture among the rabid in Buckeye Nation and they can give the exact dollar amount that they believe cost the Buckeyes the national championship this season.
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Troy Smith has thrown 10 TD passes in the last four games.



It's looking more and more like the $500 that quarterback Troy Smith took from a booster prior to his sophomore season has blocked OSU from a second BCS crown in four seasons, even though the specific culprits are losses to Texas and Penn State.
If Smith had not stomped all over Article 10 in the NCAA manual, and if that had not been discovered before the Alamo Bowl last season, and if Smith had not then received a two-game suspension from the NCAA, OSU might not be slumming at No. 10 in the rankings with that 7-2 record entering a Saturday home game against Northwestern.
Instead, Smith might have picked up in 2006 right where he left off in 2005 and led OSU past Texas and up to No. 2 in the rankings, where it might still stand right behind top-ranked USC.
Coach Jim Tressel won't say that, of course, but he came close to admitting as much recently in crediting Smith's rapidly improving play to getting readjusted to the job he temporarily gave up after his rules indiscretion.
"He went through a period from December, really, through the first game where he didn't get to saddle up behind the center the whole time and do it every day, every snap," Tressel said. That's because part of Tressel's punishment for dallying with the booster was to sit Smith out of selected August practices.
This sent a message that such shenanigans wouldn't be tolerated, but it also left Smith rusty when he took the field against Texas and split time with Justin Zwick.
Though installed as the starter after that loss, Smith never seemed as comfortable as he was last season when he riddled Michigan in his final game before the $500 payment was discovered. Too often, Smith was throwing late to his receivers or bailing from the pocket without following his progression, and thus Ohio State languished last in the league in total offense after putting up just 255 yards in the loss at Penn State.
Smith's interception, returned to the Ohio State 2-yard line, gave the Nittany Lions their decisive touchdown.
But since then, he's thrown for 10 touchdowns in four games, with only one pick.
That's compared to three touchdowns and two interceptions his first four games, when Smith was still trying to find the player he was late last season.
"I think it's becoming more of a complete quarterback, you know, within film study, that allows you to understand that [options] two and three will come open once you stand back there," Smith said.
Tressel credits Smith's improvement to mandatory film sessions he attends following each Tuesday practice.
Conveniently, Tuesday is the only day other than game day that Ohio State's players are available for interviews. Smith, therefore, hasn't spoken to reporters in midweek in a month.
That reduces the chance Smith will get too candid for his coach's taste, as happened early last year when Smith was backing up Zwick and complained that Tressel held "puppet strings" on the position.
Now, the only time Smith talks is during postgame press conferences, when Tressel is seated immediately to his side.
Lately, that's meant nothing but smiles from the head coach, who has seen his QB become the league's top-rated passer with a 60-percent completion rate and 1,563 passing yards.
"That's why we're contending," Tressel said. "And if he'll remain excellent -- he doesn't have to be the top-ranked guy, but if he remains a top guy passing efficiency-wise -- then we will contend. It's not a surprise or a coincidence that that's the case."
OSU still needs help to win the Big Ten outright and claim the league's BCS berth. That earlier loss to Penn State gives the Nittany Lions the tiebreaker edge over Ohio State.
So if Penn State wins at Michigan State on Nov. 19, the best the Buckeyes can do is salvage a BCS at-large spot.
That's a far cry from the national-championship hopes that abounded in Columbus back in August, when Smith was sitting out occasional practices per his coach's punishment in excess of the NCAA's mandated penalties -- punishment that may have inflicted just enough rust to tarnish the Buckeyes' chances of playing for the title they coveted most. "I suppose you could draw that discussion or argument or whatever, but nothing we can do about it," Tressel said. "You have to do what is the right thing to do and go from there."
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perhaps i'm rehashing someone else's previous sentiment, but does anyone else get the sense that next year smith may be THE premier quarterback in the nation (i know, he's already a very good quarterback)? if young stays, there will be definite competition. quinn, while potent and able, does not have the natural abilities that smith and young have. also, looking at smith's learning curve, his upside is likely tremendous. it's almost as if you can see him learn.

of course, there are still three games to be played. much can happen. any player can have a debacle at any time. barring that for smith, the experience that three huge games will supply and the experience of an offseason of being osu's number one quarterback (he's doing all of this after limited practice time and the minority of the off-season snaps) will, in my opinion, catapult him to national prominence.

i have nearly no vcash after waging virtually everything for the psu game; however, i am willing to bet all that i have that troy smith will be in the top-3 of heisman candidates by voting time next year. some will likely respond that i've become too enamored with his recent performances. that's not the reason. it's all about his learning curve, his demeanor (team leadership), and his natural talents. much of next year's success, however, will largely depend on a third and fourth receiver stepping up to fill holmes' gaping vacancy.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
perhaps i'm rehashing someone else's previous sentiment, but does anyone else get the sense that next year smith may be THE premier quarterback in the nation (i know, he's already a very good quarterback)? if young stays, there will be definite competition. quinn, while potent and able, does not have the natural abilities that smith and young have. also, looking at smith's learning curve, his upside is likely tremendous. it's almost as if you can see him learn.

of course, there are still three games to be played. much can happen. any player can have a debacle at any time. barring that for smith, the experience that three huge games will supply and the experience of an offseason of being osu's number one quarterback (he's doing all of this after limited practice time and the minority of the off-season snaps) will, in my opinion, catapult him to national prominence.

i have nearly no vcash after waging virtually everything for the psu game; however, i am willing to bet all that i have that troy smith will be in the top-3 of heisman candidates by voting time next year. some will likely respond that i've become too enamored with his recent performances. that's not the reason. it's all about his learning curve, his demeanor (team leadership), and his natural talents. much of next year's success, however, will largely depend on a third and fourth receiver stepping up to fill holmes' gaping vacancy.
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Yeah I agree with you, I think he will be the best in the big ten and for top qb he will be up against Quinn and Young. I also think that Brian Brohm should be on the short list tho b/c he is very good, even know he plays against weak competiton.
 
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Imagine where we would be if had gone ahead and commited to WVU? Instead Tress takes a late flyer on an athlete that was tossed from St Ed's (?) and was now at little known (at the time) Glennville. I have enjoyed watching his progress.

And to those of you that want to just dismiss his success do to lack of competition, maybe you could remove all the crap D's from Lienart/Quinn/Young's stats and see how they stack up...
 
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