QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

[Taosman]

I had predicted a Heisman contender year. OK, I was wrong. But, a lot can still happen.
Maybe next year will be his year.

 

[jwinslow]

Rich's Quick Outs

[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif] Don’t look now, but maligned Ohio State QB Troy Smith is the sixth-rated passer in America behind such luminaries as Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, Vince Young and Brian Brohm. In the Buckeyes’ five-game winning streak, he’s accounted for 15 touchdowns and has helped open things up for sophomore RB Antonio Pittman. Even if, as expected, Penn State beats Michigan State next week, Ohio State might be a shoo-in for a BCS game if they win in Ann Arbor Saturday.[/FONT]

 

[Pheasant]

How many great D's has Troy faced, 1 and a half (PSU and half of the game against Texas)? We lost both of those games. Except for us and Penn St the defenses in the Big 10 suck this year. Troy has yet to play well against a good defense, but at least there aren't any left in the Big 10 so we should cruise through the next 2 games and go to a good bowl game unless scum can pick it up on D.

I have never implied that Troy Smith is a great passing quarterback. I was simply calling someone out for stating that the QB ratios are misleading....which they aren't. Troy Smith has a high QB rating, but I still dont think he can read a defense and go through his progressions on a consistent basis. As you said, he simply hasn't had to do it against a good D in the past several weeks. I doubt he'll be a good NFL QB, if he even gets the opportunity. He is, however, a good college QB, and may develop into a great college QB next year.

 

[Pheasant]

I guess...but the other 10 QBs are going up against these same defenses...and last I checked they were all behind Troy Smith in their stats in Big 10 games. So how come they aren't all doing it too? To put up the numbers Troy is in the Big 10...then you have to be consistent and pretty damn good. If it were so easy to put up these numbers against Big 10 defenses, then the rest of the QBs would be doing it too. Right now, I feel, Troy Smith is the best QB in the Big 10. If you want to say it's the recievers, or the oppoents...fine...but I don't care what Big 10 QB you put on this team...he isn't going to put up better numbers than Troy is.

Drew Stanton would put up ridiculous passing numbers with this offense. I like Troy Smith and what he brings to the team, but you're kidding yourself if you think he's a better QB than Stanton.

 

[jwinslow]

Drew Stanton would put up ridiculous passing numbers with this offense. I like Troy Smith and what he brings to the team, but you're kidding yourself if you think he's a better QB than Stanton.

I don't think he's a better QB than stanton, but people definitely are way too hard on Smith. He's not a top QB prospect by any means, but he has taken big strides at developing as a QB (progression, scrambling to throw, better ball control when scrambling).

I think Holmes is gone, but with the way Smith has turned it around he knows he would continue to see the ball next year. Most of us were sure Holmes would leave just b/c he shouldn't have to struggle thru another year of mediocre passing from Troy.

 

[exhawg]

I have never implied that Troy Smith is a great passing quarterback. I was simply calling someone out for stating that the QB ratios are misleading....which they aren't. Troy Smith has a high QB rating, but I still dont think he can read a defense and go through his progressions on a consistent basis. As you said, he simply hasn't had to do it against a good D in the past several weeks. I doubt he'll be a good NFL QB, if he even gets the opportunity. He is, however, a good college QB, and may develop into a great college QB next year.

I don't really want to continue this argument, but if we get these stats out of the QB next week I don't think we beat scum. Noted this was against one of the worst defenses in D1A.

<table class="yspwhitebg" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="ysptblthbody1" align="right"><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Ohio St.</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Comp</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Att</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Yds</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Y/A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Sack</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">YdsL</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">TD</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Int </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td align="left"> T. Smith</td> <td>7</td> <td>12</td> <td>77</td> <td>58.3</td> <td>6.4</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td></tr></tbody></table>
Scum really sucks (or at least they did last year) against running QB's so we should rack up a lot of yards on the ground Saturday. Even JT said that Troy threw the ball poorly after the game last week. Nothing against Troy, but I think we have at least 3 QB's on the roster that would have us at 8-2 or better this season. Does anyone disagree with that? IMHO given the way the offense has to revolve around Troy he is due to have 1 or 2 bad games a year, which will result in a loss.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I don't think he's a better QB than stanton, but people definitely are way too hard on Smith. He's not a top QB prospect by any means, but he has taken big strides at developing as a QB (progression, scrambling to throw, better ball control when scrambling).

Guess you oughta get the Elite 11 selection committee on the horn if you don't think Smith was a top prospect by any means.

 

[Pheasant]

I don't really want to continue this argument, but if we get these stats out of the QB next week I don't think we beat scum. Noted this was against one of the worst defenses in D1A.

<TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left height=18>Ohio St.</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Comp</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Att</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Yds</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Pct</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Y/A</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Sack</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>YdsL</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>TD</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Int </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left>T. Smith</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>58.3</TD><TD>6.4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Scum really sucks (or at least they did last year) against running QB's so we should rack up a lot of yards on the ground Saturday. Even JT said that Troy threw the ball poorly after the game last week. Nothing against Troy, but I think we have at least 3 QB's on the roster that would have us at 8-2 or better this season. Does anyone disagree with that? IMHO given the way the offense has to revolve around Troy he is due to have 1 or 2 bad games a year, which will result in a loss.

If you didn't want to continue the argument, why are you continuing it? :p

How many passing yards does he need when we rush for over 300?
I don't think he's Joe Montana, but I think he's closer to Joe than to Steve Bellisari. You're being a little rough on him, IMO. He struggled early, but is making progress. If you want to say that's just because of the defenses we've played, I'm going over to the Antonio Pittman thread to see what you had to say about him.

 

[exhawg]

If you didn't want to continue the argument, why are you continuing it? :p

How many passing yards does he need when we rush for over 300?
I don't think he's Joe Montana, but I think he's closer to Joe than to Steve Bellisari. You're being a little rough on him, IMO. He struggled early, but is making progress. If you want to say that's just because of the defenses we've played, I'm going over to the Antonio Pittman thread to see what you had to say about him.

Jokes on you, I don't think I've had any recent posts on the Pttman thread, if any at all. :p

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I gotta agree with Fin here, you can't post Smith's passing stats from the NU game as indicative of anything. I'm sure if a passing game was required, Smith would have been up to the task. His pick was a poor pass, I will say that. But, then, he'd gone since... what.. PSU since throwing a pick?

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Imagine where we would be if had gone ahead and commited to WVU? Instead Tress takes a late flyer on an athlete that was tossed from St Ed's (?) and was now at little known (at the time) Glennville. I have enjoyed watching his progress.

And to those of you that want to just dismiss his success do to lack of competition, maybe you could remove all the crap D's from Lienart/Quinn/Young's stats and see how they stack up...

smith was widely considered the #2 athletic qb in the country behind vince young. most who know thier stuff say smith was a better prospect than zwick. troy didnt qulaify until very late.

I don't really want to continue this argument, but if we get these stats out of the QB next week I don't think we beat scum. Noted this was against one of the worst defenses in D1A.

<TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left height=18>Ohio St.</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Comp</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Att</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Yds</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Pct</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Y/A</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Sack</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>YdsL</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>TD</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Int </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left>T. Smith</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>58.3</TD><TD>6.4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Scum really sucks (or at least they did last year) against running QB's so we should rack up a lot of yards on the ground Saturday. Even JT said that Troy threw the ball poorly after the game last week. Nothing against Troy, but I think we have at least 3 QB's on the roster that would have us at 8-2 or better this season. Does anyone disagree with that? IMHO given the way the offense has to revolve around Troy he is due to have 1 or 2 bad games a year, which will result in a loss.

i agree if we gont throw for 100 yards my trip up north will be ugly.

I don't think he's a better QB than stanton, but people definitely are way too hard on Smith. He's not a top QB prospect by any means, but he has taken big strides at developing as a QB (progression, scrambling to throw, better ball control when scrambling).

if #2 athletic qb in the country isnt higly rated i dont know what is

How many passing yards does he need when we rush for over 300?
I don't think he's Joe Montana, but I think he's closer to Joe than to Steve Bellisari. You're being a little rough on him, IMO. He struggled early, but is making progress. If you want to say that's just because of the defenses we've played, I'm going over to the Antonio Pittman thread to see what you had to say about him.

the reality is troy has never beaten a quality defense. the past few weeks the defense werent only bad but terrible. time will tell. my biggest fear is a trip to fl against an sec opponent.

 

[jwinslow]

Guess you oughta get the Elite 11 selection committee on the horn if you don't think Smith was a top prospect by any means.

I'm speaking about the NFL (my response was to FB, who had just suggested that Troy wouldn't make a good NFL qb). I think he is on his way to becoming a very good college QB.

the reality is troy has never beaten a quality defense. the past few weeks the defense werent only bad but terrible. time will tell. my biggest fear is a trip to fl against an sec opponent.

I'm afraid of bama's D. I think some of the other ones are highly rated moreso b/c of inept offenses in the SEC.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I'm speaking about the NFL

Fair enough

(part 1 of those two posts by FB was suggesting this same idea). I think he is on his way to becoming a very good college QB.I'm afraid of bama's D. I think some of the other ones are highly rated moreso b/c of inept offenses in the SEC.

I fear no team. It's Michigan week, for the love of poop. There is no fear.

 

[jwinslow]

I fear no team. It's Michigan week, for the love of poop. There is no fear.

who let bkb out of the political forum? :tongue2: I'm afraid of Bama's D b/c they are a poor man's version of 02 OSU, but they are much too poor on offense to beat us IMO.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Bama, schmama.... Michigan Sucks.