QB Kirk Herbstreit (Frosted Quips)

[LordJeffBuck]

One can defend Herbstreit all he/she may want... but no one can defend his #9 ranking for tOSU. That's wrong for anyone to do, let alone former tOSU QB.

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here as well:

Here is a list of all AQ teams that finished with a 12-1 record and a BCS bowl victory, along with their final poll rankings (AP/CP):

1993 Florida State... 1 / 1
1996 Florida......... 1 / 1
2003 Southern Cal.... 1 / 2
1978 Southern Cal.... 2 / 1
1989 Notre Dame...... 2 / 3
2008 Southern Cal.... 3 / 2
1999 Nebraska........ 3 / 2
1982 Nebraska........ 3 / 3
2008 Texas........... 4 / 3
2010 Ohio State...... 5 / 5
2006 Louisville...... 6 / 7
2007 Kansas.......... 7 / 7

So on four separate occasions, a 12-1 record and a BCS bowl victory was good enough to earn a team a national championship, and the lowest AP ranking for such a team was 7th. The average AP ranking was 3.2


Now here is a list of all AQ teams that finished with a 12-1 record and a non-BCS bowl victory, along with their final poll rankings (AP/CP):

1998 Arizona......... 4 / 4
1994 Alabama......... 5 / 4
2006 Wisconsin....... 7 / 5


Finally here is a list of all AQ teams that finished with a 12-1 record and a bowl loss, along with their final poll rankings (AP/CP):

1983 Nebraska........ 2 / 2
2002 Miami........... 2 / 2
2006 Ohio State...... 2 / 2
1995 Florida......... 2 / 3
2004 Oklahoma........ 3 / 3
2010 Oregon.......... 3 / 3
2009 Texas Christian. 6 / 6 (non-AQ team)
1992 Texas A+M....... 7 / 6
2009 Cincinnati...... 8 / 9


So, in the entire history of the AP poll (1936-present), no AQ team with a 12-1 record has finished below 8th place in the final poll ... and the team that did finish 8th (2009 Cincinnati) was an overrated Big East team that got hammered in their bowl game. The average AP ranking for all 12-1 teams was 3.7

But Fowler and Herbstreit think that Ohio State (12-1, Sugar Bowl winner) deserved to be ranked 9th? Worse than that joke of a Cincinnati team from last year? Six spots lower than the average 12-1 BCS bowl winner? That the 2010 Ohio State Buckeyes were essentially the worst 12-1 AQ team of all time?

Granted, every year is different, and not all 12-1 teams are created equal, but simply put, there is no historical basis or justification for their rankings. None. It was purely a "political" vote, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[OH10]

If Gameday ever comes back to Columbus, is it fair to say Herpie is going to get booed? Maybe we can get some kind of "Fake Buckeye" chant going.

I was pretty upset last year when he made the comments about the OL; even more pissed with the public dick-sabering with TP; and now his indefensible ballot. I'm done with this guy.

 

[MaxBuck]

were any posts deleted referring to "a bag-o-dicks"?

Too late anyway. Brady Hoke ate 'em all.

OT, I know, but just another reason to hate Brady Hoke. All these guys driving around after the bars close, looking for a bag o' dicks to finish off the evening with a snack, and Brady has already eaten them all.

Brady Hoke. What an ass.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

...and Brady has already eaten them all.

[tsun_fan]THAT'S A MAN WHO'S HUNGRY![/tsun_fan]

Brady Hoke. What an ass.

"What an ass", you say? Remind me again who's looking for that bag-o-dicks?

 

[Steve19]

I'm sure that ESPiN will want to do some market research on Herbstreit's audience perceptions. Will a war with Ohio State make him more attractive nationally? I don't know. But, I do think that if Ohio State fans turn against him--and that seems to be what is happening very fast now--then I think that Herbstreit can expect that it will not be good for his career.

Since Tressel arrived, Herbstreit has acted like a petulant child who stands on the sidelines screaming to get attention. It would seem very much that he wants to get inside the program and to be seen as an adviser. But, other than the fact that he works as a sports entertainer, what's he really got to offer?

One could say that he has done a lot for Ohio football, but has Herbstreit done a lot for Ohio football? What about his hosting of the series of high school games? Should one be cynical and see his efforts as primarily an attempt to build his own brand? After all, didn't he move away from Ohio with the games?

For Herbstreit, the big challenge is how to "go national" without losing his home roots? He'd like to mine the local roots but the fact is that he has really damaged his relations with Ohio State and Ohio State fans. He's allowed himself to become more the tanned face of ESPiN than the man who used to share interesting insights.

If he's smart, Herbstreit will think about repairing those relations. The first step would be to apologize. Will he do it? I don't think so.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

 

[SloopyHangOn]

If he's smart, Herbstreit will think about repairing those relations. The first step would be to apologize. Will he do it? I don't think so.

Why would he need to repair any of those relations or apologize?

By your own admission he's continuing to have success while becoming less relevant as a broadcaster or analyst. Seems to me that he could continue doing that without trying to rebuild any of the bridges he's already burned.

 

[buckeyeintn]

If Gameday ever comes back to Columbus, is it fair to say Herpie is going to get booed? Maybe we can get some kind of "Fake Buckeye" chant going.

The best thing tOSU fans could do the next time Gameday comes to Columbus is to ignore it. It would make for an interesting set if there were no fans/signs in sight. I would think it would be quite embarrassing for ESPiN to have 105,000 fans at a game plus thousands more roaming inthe campus area and none of them went by the Gameday set. Unfortunately there would still be some who would probably still go so they can be on TV for their 2.3 seconds.

 

[Steve19]

Why would he need to repair any of those relations or apologize?

By your own admission he's continuing to have success while becoming less relevant as a broadcaster or analyst. Seems to me that he could continue doing that without trying to rebuild any of the bridges he's already burned.

I don't think that he's continuing to have success. His audience liking ratings are dropping across the board, I think. He needs to repair the relations because an escalating war with Ohio State fans is going to focus attention on his career accomplishments. Just look how many games it took Pryor to pass him in every category.

Without any wish to bash Herbstreit, his record is not very impressive and a war is going to make that very clear. In turn, that's going to call his positioning as former standout college quarterback at Ohio State into question. Herbstreit really doesn't want that.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I don't think that he's continuing to have success. His audience liking ratings are dropping across the board, I think. He needs to repair the relations because an escalating war with Ohio State fans is going to focus attention on his career accomplishments. Just look how many games it took Pryor to pass him in every category.

Without any wish to bash Herbstreit, his record is not very impressive and a war is going to make that very clear. In turn, that's going to call his positioning as former standout college quarterback at Ohio State into question. Herbstreit really doesn't want that.

Repairing the relations may be the key because, honestly... he sounds scorned. There's a lot of Buckeye Nation that have turned their backs and he continues to push buttons that do nothing to get them back in his court.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

I don't think that he's continuing to have success. His audience liking ratings are dropping across the board, I think. He needs to repair the relations because an escalating war with Ohio State fans is going to focus attention on his career accomplishments. Just look how many games it took Pryor to pass him in every category.

Without any wish to bash Herbstreit, his record is not very impressive and a war is going to make that very clear. In turn, that's going to call his positioning as former standout college quarterback at Ohio State into question. Herbstreit really doesn't want that.

I just don't think he's at all concerned with anyone focusing on his career as a Buckeye. He's made it as far as he has without anyone really commenting on his career as a football player in any qualitative light within the industry. The only people concerned with that are people who have nothing to do with signing his paycheck.

At this point, ESPiN and the likes don't seem to give two shits about "Buckeye Nation" and why should they? There are enough Buckeyes within the business that give us something to enjoy that if we were to all polarize Herbie in the same way we do May there wouldn't be any significant change. As we've all noticed and mentioned, Kirk plays a character on TV. His character is written and scripted (for the most part) by ESPiN producers. What "Buckeye Nation" thinks of him on his own time, outside of that, is irrelevant to his success in his chosen profession.

At least that's the way I see it.

 

[scarletngray]

Herbstreit veiws himself as untouchable. He has become a legend in his own mind. That may be true with Espin but it is far from reality with the Buckeye Nation. He is going to quickly discover that he has alienated himself from the majority of his Alma Mater. He is fast becoming the new Mark May, losing credibility and saying things for no other reason than to highlight his arrogance and belittle tOSU.

As a matter of fact, this may have reached the point that it is irrepairable and Herbstreit will find himself on the outside looking in. He's not liked by the coaches, the players and now the majority of the Buckeye Nation.

:osu:

 

[SloopyHangOn]

As a matter of fact, this may have reached the point that it is irrepairable and Herbstreit will find himself on the outside looking in. He's not liked by the coaches, the players and now the majority of the Buckeye Nation.

Again. My only question is:

How does this matter to him?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Again. My only question is:

How does this matter to him?

If you don't care about Ohio State then it shouldn't matter one iota.

Personally, I don't think it matters to him one iota.

 

[scarletngray]

It may effect his radio show and thus his pocket book, if the sponsers realize no one is listening anymore.

It will effect his ability to get inside info, talk to the players, coaches, etc. Nobody is going to give him the time of day anymore.

If he truly has a place in his heart for tOSU and it's football program, the intense rejection from fans, players and coaches could impact him personally.

It could impact his national persona when everybody realizes that his Alma Mater doesn't want to have anything to do with him.

:osu: