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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

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dragurd said:
Campbell had 2 drops officially. I'm still mad they called that one where he took 4-5 steps with the ball then fumbled and jumped on it a drop. Even more so that it wasn't reviewed.

Also I want to say another 1 or 2 were on target but a nice play by the db broke it up.
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and a couple other deep passes that were meant to keep the defense honest (had Braxton on a couple more passes that didn't connect). Although I think either will be fine it's been noted already that JT is far more adept at executing our rushing attack and if Cardale is going to hang onto this starting job he's going to have to be closer to 60% as a passer because we know form last year that JT will go for 65% or so. If cardale can get his numbers up to 60% then he's our guy because his attributes IMO do make it easier on our rushing game for fear of his arm strength down the field. However, if he cannot connect he will not be the starter past western Michigan going into B1G play. What's the point of playing our QB who's only edge is arm strength if he can't get our bevy of weapons the ball? At least with JT you know while he can't bomb it over 60 yards he's going to make our rushing attack more dangerous and he's going to be lethally accurate in getting our guys through the air as well.

Personally to me as was said somewhere (escapes me where though) with CJ we seem to have 1 amazing play and then we get shut down for a play. To me JT is going to be our best option in keeping the offense moving forward and ultimately will be our starting QB IMO.

I cannot stress enough though that I love both players and I think we win every game regardless of who we put out there. However, as was said last year the offense just looks so much more smooth with JT and moves better with JT.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Not going to argue with you on this. If you're dumb enough to think that quality of the opposing defense is not a factor in measuring offensive performance, then maybe you need to follow another sport.
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You know that's a little harsh. Play calling and execution have as much to do with offensive performance as a good defense. Sure VT probably had a good defense, but I'm sure there were bad reads and missed blocking assignments. It's those kinds of things I believe matcar was referring to.
 
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HorseshoeFetish said:
You know that's a little harsh. Play calling and execution have as much to do with offensive performance as a good defense. Sure VT probably had a good defense, but I'm sure there were bad reads and missed blocking assignments. It's those kinds of things I believe matcar was referring to.
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True, but 572 yards and 42 points is pretty damn good, and there's not as much need for improvement as he implies. Cardale simply doesn't run the read option as well as Barrett, and probably won't. The OL played well at times and got beat pretty badly at others. Price seemed like he was getting beat the most. Those OL issues will be addressed.
 
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matcar said:
no I'm not concerned about losing anytime soon, but if somethings don't change it will make one question whether we are putting our best foot forward.
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Geez, that's a bit harsh. The guy went 9/18 for 186 yards, with 2 TDs and a pick, and had at least two drops by his WRs that come immediately to mind. Couple that with his 99 yards and a TD on the ground, and I'd say he played a pretty [censored] good game. He wasn't perfect, but neither would JT have been had he played the whole game. Sure, JT brings some things to the table that Cardale doesn't, but you're kidding yourself if you think the reverse isn't true.
 
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If we are going to play Cardale, then maybe we should call plays that fit his skill set better than plays that fit JTs. Anyone that knows anything about football could plainly see that when we ran the option, Foster let Cardale go because Cardale wasn't going to hurt them, and he didn't. When JT came in and they did the same he ripped off 40 yards, and Herbie stated that Cardale might have gotten 10 on that play.

They each have their strengths and weaknesses, but I just hope we stick to Cardales strengths which is not the speed option or the read option. He can run the QB lead draw, but after that he is not a runner and we are not going to beat Bama this year trying to make him an option QB.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Geez, that's a bit harsh. The guy went 9/18 for 186 yards, with 2 TDs and a pick, and had at least two drops by his WRs that come immediately to mind. Couple that with his 99 yards and a TD on the ground, and I'd say he played a pretty [censored] good game. He wasn't perfect, but neither would JT have been had he played the whole game. Sure, JT brings some things to the table that Cardale doesn't, but you're kidding yourself if you think the reverse isn't true.
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Yep absolutely both bring different positive qualities. I never said CJ had a bad game, only that if we are going to trade off read option skills, one would expect other areas to be markedly better than what JT does. In some ways, Jones did that but I don't think that 50% will cut it. Personally, I thought Jones did well in a hostile environment, but some of those back foot throws probably aren't going to cut it in January.

I wasn't at any practices so obviously the staff knows what they are doing far better than I could dream, but from the BarcaLounger I'm expecting more from Jones or I expect we might see more of JT.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Cardale simply doesn't run the read option as well as Barrett, and probably won't.
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The question will be, what is our offense built around? The read option, the deep ball or both? I think JT can do both. If you think JT can't throw the deep ball re-watch the MSU game and the 44 yard pass to Smith.

I don't think we can judge either of the QBs by their play against VT.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
The question will be, what is our offense built around? The read option, the deep ball or both? I think JT can do both. If you think JT can't throw the deep ball re-watch the MSU game and the 44 yard pass to Smith.

I don't think we can judge either of the QBs by their play against VT.
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Exactly. IMO, JT can do everything the offense needs more effectively. Yes CJ has him beat in Arm strength but how often are we throwing the ball over 60 yards (which is his range)? The answer is never as even when we go deep the ball normally is in the air 40-50 yards at the most.

The read option/option football is the basis of our offense and whoever does that part of the offense better should be the QB IMO. We'll see how this shakes down with our non conference.
 
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Cardale primarily started against Va Tech because of the front that they stayed in the entire game. Even Jones had multiple passes batted down. It would have been even more if Barrett started, IMO. That being said, I see the game against Hawaii being a little like NFL Preseason. Cardale gets the first quarter, and if Ohio State is up 21-0 by the 2nd, it's Barrett time.
 
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After thinking about it, the biggest difference between the 2 is that Cardale can supposedly throw a better deep ball and JT is a better runner. Now my question is, on Cardale's deep balls last year, how many of them were caught because Devin Smith made great plays as opposed to them being thrown well? A majority of them were 50/50 balls and Devin was able to win those battles more often than not but who on the roster has shown that they will be able to win those battles this year? I think we will win with either QB but I also think that if Urban wants to be able to run the entire offense that JT would need to be the QB. Either way I will support whomever is chosen to start.
 
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There's no reason we can't have a 2 QB system until the MSU game. Against VT Cardale's size and Mac Truck running style helped. His cannon also was seen not so much on deep balls, but his ability to throw moderately deep with a guy wrapped around him falling backward. There were several occasions where JT would have been sacked when Cardale brushed off the pressure and extended the play. On the other hand JT would have been better on all the read options than Cardale.

On the bright side both guys can run the same offense. There are some things that JT does better and some things that Cardale does better, but they can both succeed in the same offense, with minor play calling tweaks. It just amazes me that tOSU has 3 QB's that could be capable of willing the NC.
 
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exhawg said:
There's no reason we can't have a 2 QB system until the MSU game. Against VT Cardale's size and Mac Truck running style helped. His cannon also was seen not so much on deep balls, but his ability to throw moderately deep with a guy wrapped around him falling backward.
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Thank you. Arm strength is an every throw thing, it isn't a distance contest.
 
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