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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

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I think we can put to rest the BS about defenses having to respect Cardales deep threat so that opens up the run for Eze. VT played the same exact defense they would vs JT, Bear with Press Man most of the time. Just like Bama and Oregon played the same exact defense they would have played no matter who was under center.

I like JT better myself as we can't run the option for shit when Cardale.
 
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Well we can't run option with him running sideways that's for sure. His spacing was all off yesterday and he wasn't decisive. The option with the rbs/hbs/wrs going sideways and Cardale having the option of pulling it and taking it straight up the middle worked fine though.
 
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dragurd said:
Well we can't run option with him running sideways that's for sure. His spacing was all off yesterday and he wasn't decisive. The option with the rbs/hbs/wrs going sideways and Cardale having the option of pulling it and taking it straight up the middle worked fine though.
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I believe against the bear front, the speed option is what you're left with. Runs up the middle are tough whether you are CJ or JTB.
 
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sammyjenkis said:
I believe against the bear front, the speed option is what you're left with. Runs up the middle are tough whether you are CJ or JTB.
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Speed option, traps and counters.

Speed of course is the distinguishing attribute of the speed option. Cardale runs fast enough once he gets going, but he lacks the quickness and acceleration to make that sort of play work with him running it. The point is to beat the linebackers to a spot on the edge and make the player he's reading make a decision. Virginia Tech coached their read player to take the pitch man, and it worked because Cardale couldn't beat the help to the edge. It's supposed to create a 2-on-1, but it often ended up being 2-on-2+.

Cardale didn't make bad decisions on option plays, but it was mostly because there wasn't one left to make.
 
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Mariotwins said:
JT looked like the better QB in his only real offensive series last night. I don't think Cardale's deep ball is really that much better, sure it might be more of a lazer but JT can put it right where he wants it too. 50 yard pass in the air against MSU. Honestly we will never need anything longer than that.
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Where you saw Cardale's arm strength wasn't so much on deep balls -- in fact I think his deep ball is rather inaccurate a lot of the time.
Rather where you see it is stuff like that jump ball pass to Dixon... there were a lot of moments against VTech where he broke a lot of the traditional "rules" -- esp not throwing from backfoot etc. -- but his arm is just so strong that it doesn't matter.
Part of me worries that somebody will punish him for it down the line, but ... it works.
The other thing I liked against VTech is his durability. That DLine is legit, and matching up 5 DLs against 5 OL all game starts to wear on the line -- Cardale isn't going down like 99% of other QBs though.

I'm curious to see if Meyer sticks with 1 guy, or if he changes it up a bit week-to-week. Could be very interesting if he does the latter, but then sticks with that guy for most of the game (like we saw with VTech where JT clearly came in for mop-up duty). That potentially resolves the issue of playing both without disrupting their rhythm or making them constantly have to look over their shoulder... while driving competition during the week and through practices.
 
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matcar said:
There was explosion from the offense, and CJ was part of the reason. But 50% completion percentage probably needs improvement considering he's just not as effective in read option as JT.
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At least one was a drop (Campbell), and Cardale was under as much pressure as he'll face all year. I'm not too concerned right now...
 
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Putting aside any NFL allegiances, I feel like this is Alex Smith (JT) versus Ben Rothlesberger (Cardale). JT can execute the offense better and can get the yards that are there from the scheme, but may be limited when the talent level increases and the scheme's weaknesses can be exposed. He can make the "correct" read on the play, but what if the correct read doesn't get the first down? On the other hand, Cardale can do some truly ridiculous things with his arm, but appears to take too many chances. It may cost him if he tries it too many times against top competition, but the hope may be that with more experience, he learns when to reign that in and when to let it loose (go back to his first towndown pass to Samuel. The first thing you see Urban do is rip off his headset and ask "Why did you throw that?"... on a touchdown pass no less. Talk about demanding perfection).

Ultimately, you'll end up with a player who can execute the scheme and, when needed, go beyond the scheme to make plays that help this team.
 
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matcar said:
No it's not. Ohio State's measuring stick is itself not other teams, Meyer knows this thankfully. So the point is to become the best they can be.
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Not going to argue with you on this. If you're dumb enough to think that quality of the opposing defense is not a factor in measuring offensive performance, then maybe you need to follow another sport.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
At least one was a drop (Campbell), and Cardale was under as much pressure as he'll face all year. I'm not too concerned right now...
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Campbell had 2 drops officially. I'm still mad they called that one where he took 4-5 steps with the ball then fumbled and jumped on it a drop. Even more so that it wasn't reviewed.

Also I want to say another 1 or 2 were on target but a nice play by the db broke it up.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Not going to argue with you on this. If you're dumb enough to think that quality of the opposing defense is not a factor in measuring offensive performance, then maybe you need to follow another sport.
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I'll believe you won't argue when it actually happens. I'm going to tell you one last time that we measure ourselves based upon our best performance not based upon the opponent. Meyer preaches it constantly. The fact that Hawaii presents no challenge to us or that VT did provide a decent challenge doesn't mean that we cannot or should not expect better.
 
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