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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

Putting aside any NFL allegiances, I feel like this is Alex Smith (JT) versus Ben Rothlesberger (Cardale). JT can execute the offense better and can get the yards that are there from the scheme, but may be limited when the talent level increases and the scheme's weaknesses can be exposed. He can make the "correct" read on the play, but what if the correct read doesn't get the first down? On the other hand, Cardale can do some truly ridiculous things with his arm, but appears to take too many chances. It may cost him if he tries it too many times against top competition, but the hope may be that with more experience, he learns when to reign that in and when to let it loose (go back to his first towndown pass to Samuel. The first thing you see Urban do is rip off his headset and ask "Why did you throw that?"... on a touchdown pass no less. Talk about demanding perfection).

Ultimately, you'll end up with a player who can execute the scheme and, when needed, go beyond the scheme to make plays that help this team.

I'd go with Steve Young for JT. Young's mobility was under-rated and he was just damn accurate. Similarly astute personality and diligent student of the game.
Roeth is a great comparison for how Cardale projects to NFL, but in terms of college -- for some reason he reminds me more of Favre ? Favre wasn't running over DL, but they both have that never-die gun slinging mentality and it works more than it hurts.

Anyway both those guys can take you all the way -- without needing to just be game managers for a dominant defense, like Roeth.

True, but 572 yards and 42 points is pretty damn good, and there's not as much need for improvement as he implies. Cardale simply doesn't run the read option as well as Barrett, and probably won't. The OL played well at times and got beat pretty badly at others. Price seemed like he was getting beat the most. Those OL issues will be addressed.

I suspect this will resolve itself. Their DLine had 2 NFL players on it. Dadi is already a big name, while Maddy gets a 2nd crack at his senior season thanks to a medical redshirt after playing us last year. And great things are expected of Ekanem.
Throw in that kind of DL quality and lining up how they do with 5 guys directly over 5 OL... it's going to wear on the interior line, which is more used to combo and team blocking than going 1v1 all game long against that kind of quality.
There isn't a single team on the schedule that can replicate that, maybe Bama if we face them in post season? But I doubt Kirby reconfigures his entire D just to copy VTech... thankfully. It's a hard nut to crack.
I think that's also the underlying reason why he started -- VTech got an awful lot of penetration last year and this year... and clearly Cardale deals with that better. With all the penetration, they didn't get a single sack... just couldn't bring him down.
I think it also affected his completion% / QBR / pretty numbers ... Cardale kept things alive but hard to be accurate shrugging all those big bodies off. If I had any skill as an artist, I'd make a drawing of him throwing off his back foot with defenders draped all over. That's the image which sums up this game to me.
 
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Samuel made a heck of a play on his TD catch, that ball wasn't exactly on the money, however it was away from the defender.

That was a phenomenal throw. Cardale did as well throwing off his back foot as many college QBs can exoect to do by stepping into it.

That's the counter-point to being limited running the option with him. If JT Barrett finds himself in that exact situation the best you can realistically hope for is a safe Bauserbomb and another crack at it on second down. With Cardale it was a touchdown. It wasn't a matter of blind luck either - keeping his eyes downfield and using his strength to make special throws are skills.
 
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I suspect this will resolve itself. Their DLine had 2 NFL players on it. Dadi is already a big name, while Maddy gets a 2nd crack at his senior season thanks to a medical redshirt after playing us last year. And great things are expected of Ekanem.
Throw in that kind of DL quality and lining up how they do with 5 guys directly over 5 OL... it's going to wear on the interior line, which is more used to combo and team blocking than going 1v1 all game long against that kind of quality.
Watching the game again, the OL seemed to respond like they did in title game...while they at times got pushed around by the time the fourth quarter rolled around they controlled the line quite well. I think Fowler even said in the fourth quarter that the Hokie defense looked like they wore down...
 
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Watching the game again, the OL seemed to respond like they did in title game...while they at times got pushed around by the time the fourth quarter rolled around they controlled the line quite well. I think Fowler even said in the fourth quarter that the Hokie defense looked like they wore down...
I was getting concerned by some of the high snaps coming from Boren. I am sure he wanted to get the ball back and get on his assignment. I am not sure JT hauls in a couple of those.
 
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Steve Young might have been the best dual tyreat quarterback in nfl history. It helps being surrounded by an elite OL and skill players, but he was a joy to watch. I still remember his, i think, 70 yard TD run in a monday night game against the Vikings. He was a surgeon in the pocket and could kill you with his legs. He and Montana are 1a and 1b as my favorite nfl players of all time.
 
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Steve Young might have been the best dual tyreat quarterback in nfl history. It helps being surrounded by an elite OL and skill players, but he was a joy to watch. I still remember his, i think, 70 yard TD run in a monday night game against the Vikings. He was a surgeon in the pocket and could kill you with his legs. He and Montana are 1a and 1b as my favorite nfl players of all time.
The run where he ran out of gas vs the Vikings was a thing of beauty. And I grew up a Bengals fan, so he 49ers represented Super Bowl misery.
 
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This is a JT Barrett thread so hopefully we will get back to him soon but I have to add that Steve Young, along with being and incredibly gifted runner was the single most accurate passer I've ever witnessed. His ability to hit receivers in stride was something I've rarely seen before or after. I was never a Niners fan, but Young was simply incredible.

Soooo, turning this back around to JT, if he could be a poor man's Steve Young, well hell yeah, give me that.
 
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In terms of how JT plays in college, I don't think there's any "poor man" about it. Comparing to Young's historic 1994 season.
203/314 2834yds 64.7% 9.0ypa 34TD/10int 23sack
324/461 3969yds 70.3% 8.6ypa 35YD/10int 31sack

Playing 16 instead of 12 gives Young more attempts, yardage, and sacks -- but otherwise pretty good for a redshirt frosh.

The running stats don't compare -- different era. Young had 293yds on the season, but safe to say he'd have a lot more in this kind of offense.
 
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http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/All-Sports/All-Seasons/News/JTs-The-Man-This-Week-and-Heres-Why

Nice piece by the ozone here. I hope they're right to be honest as I feel both deserve their opportunity to start but I will caution if JT does start he's going to go off and when that happens I hope that's not what decides the ultimate position. We're going to see both all year IMO but eventually one of them will only be situationally.

Urban did say however that Cardale was needed more so against tech due to his ability to stand in there with pressure in his face. I agree with him and now that it's over it'll be interesting to see if JT now is given the keys. Gerdman from ozone who broke the news CJ was going to start also said it may be a one game situation to deal with the Hokies so we shall see.

What I think is very spot on with the ozone article is JT is fresh and right now we are going to need all the freshness we can get to be honest.
 
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http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/All-Sports/All-Seasons/News/JTs-The-Man-This-Week-and-Heres-Why

Nice piece by the ozone here. I hope they're right to be honest as I feel both deserve their opportunity to start but I will caution if JT does start he's going to go off and when that happens I hope that's not what decides the ultimate position. We're going to see both all year IMO but eventually one of them will only be situationally.

Urban did say however that Cardale was needed more so against tech due to his ability to stand in there with pressure in his face. I agree with him and now that it's over it'll be interesting to see if JT now is given the keys. Gerdman from ozone who broke the news CJ was going to start also said it may be a one game situation to deal with the Hokies so we shall see.

What I think is very spot on with the ozone article is JT is fresh and right now we are going to need all the freshness we can get to be honest.

That makes so much sense...
 
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This is a JT Barrett thread so hopefully we will get back to him soon but I have to add that Steve Young, along with being and incredibly gifted runner was the single most accurate passer I've ever witnessed. His ability to hit receivers in stride was something I've rarely seen before or after. I was never a Niners fan, but Young was simply incredible.

Soooo, turning this back around to JT, if he could be a poor man's Steve Young, well hell yeah, give me that.
I'd vote for Robbie Bosco as the best passer I've ever seen in college. Bosco followed Young at BYU and finished 3rd for the Heisman two years in a row! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Bosco

But Barrett is just the best leader I've ever seen and that does count for a lot from the QB position.
 
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