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QB Cardale '12 Gauge' Jones (B1G Champion, National Champion)

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kujirakira said:
Stats be damned. He was directly responsible for multiple failed RZ trips.
What you do between the 20s racking up pretty numbers is meaningless if you waste chances like that.
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Let's not act like Cardale was the only reason the red zone efficiency was putrid yesterday. This is a team game, and Brax's penalty, Boren's bad snap, Marshall's RZ fumble, and bad play calling all immediately come to mind as reasons OSU didn't score.
 
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Oh well that's typical lol...

Could they make any more mistakes than they have been making the first 5 weeks? Good lord. You add that to dropping easy INTS, penalties of the 10-15 yard variety, impeccably timed turnovers, and busted plays and you have one of the most undisciplined teams in the country. We haven't been very good in the TO ratio since UFM has been coach and we always seem to be a highly penalized team as well. Sometimes the best thing you can do as a football team is to do nothing instead of to not hurt yourself like we do.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Let's not act like Cardale was the only reason the red zone efficiency was putrid yesterday. This is a team game, and Brax's penalty, Boren's bad snap, Marshall's RZ fumble, and bad play calling all immediately come to mind as reasons OSU didn't score.
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1st and 10 on 13, Brax "penalty"
1st and 25 on 28, Sacked
2nd and 31 on 34, 12yd to Thomas
3rd and 19 on 22, -4yd run by Cardale
4th and 23 -> 43yd FG off the post

There's 3 negative plays there. Brax is "responsible" for only one of those.

There's also the end of the WMU half.
Wasted RZ trips are becoming a habit, to go along with the turnovers.
 
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kujirakira said:
1st and 10 on 13, Brax "penalty"
1st and 25 on 28, Sacked
2nd and 31 on 34, 12yd to Thomas
3rd and 19 on 22, -4yd run by Cardale
4th and 23 -> 43yd FG off the post

There's 3 negative plays there. Brax is "responsible" for only one of those.

There's also the end of the WMU half.
Wasted RZ trips are becoming a habit, to go along with the turnovers.
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1. Brax's penalty
2. Cardale sacked
3. Nice pass from Cardale to Thomas
4. Boren snaps the ball when Cardale isn't looking, resulting in a "-4yd run by Cardale"
5. Willoughby misses the field goal

I see one (at the most) of those five plays being negative that Cardale's responsible for. So, as I said before, let's not act like Cardale was the only reason the red zone efficiency was putrid yesterday.
 
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bukIpower said:
Oh well that's typical lol...

Could they make any more mistakes than they have been making the first 5 weeks? Good lord. You add that to dropping easy INTS, penalties of the 10-15 yard variety, impeccably timed turnovers, and busted plays and you have one of the most undisciplined teams in the country. We haven't been very good in the TO ratio since UFM has been coach and we always seem to be a highly penalized team as well. Sometimes the best thing you can do as a football team is to do nothing instead of to not hurt yourself like we do.
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Agreed. It's easy to focus on QB play, as the QB is always an easy target. But there were something like seven (!) 15-yard penalties on OSU yesterday (to say nothing of the other penalties), Braxton's chop block negating a TD pass from Jones to Elliott, Marshall's two fumbles (one in the red zone), Willoughby missing a field goal, Powell dropping an INT that hit him right in the chest (to say nothing of the horrible angle he took on Zander's 80 yard TD run), Boren snapping the ball when Cardale wasn't looking, etc. That game was a train wreck in about every way imaginable for OSU yesterday (save for Elliott's performance), and OSU was lucky to get out of there with a W. But to suggest that Cardale (whose 18/27 for 245 yards, with 1 TD and 1 INT performance was solid, but far from great) was the sole (or main) reason OSU struggled yesterday is just silly.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
4. Boren snaps the ball when Cardale isn't looking, resulting in a "-4yd run by Cardale"


I see one (at the most) of those five plays being negative that Cardale's responsible for. So, as I said before, let's not act like Cardale was the only reason the red zone efficiency was putrid yesterday.
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Boren snapped the ball when he did because he had to. CJ was talking to EZE and the play clock was down to 1. If he doesn't snap it, its a delay of game penalty which would have been the QB's fault, just saying.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
1. Brax's penalty
2. Cardale sacked
3. Nice pass from Cardale to Thomas
4. Boren snaps the ball when Cardale isn't looking, resulting in a "-4yd run by Cardale"
5. Willoughby misses the field goal

I see one (at the most) of those five plays being negative that Cardale's responsible for. So, as I said before, let's not act like Cardale was the only reason the red zone efficiency was putrid yesterday.
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Ever RZ possession in the game. Cardale is directly responsible for gaffing 3 trips, and involved in gaffing a 4th. He also threw away a RZ possession against WMU.

9 offensive possessions that were either 3-and-out or turned over in the first set of downs.
Including 2 and 3-and-outs to begin the game, and 2 3-and-outs to end the game

If you don't think wasted RZ trips and turnovers are a major issue... there's no point discussing anything.

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2nd and 8 on 33, pass to Wilson for 21
1st and 10 on 12, Eze 7yd run
2nd and 3 on 5, Eze no gain
3rd and 3 on 5, incomplete (TE)
FG

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1st and 10 on 41, Cardale pass to Marshall for 34yds and Jalin fumble

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1st and 10 on 13, Brax "penalty"
1st and 25 on 28, Sacked
2nd and 31 on 34, 12yd to Thomas
3rd and 19 on 22, -4yd run by Cardale
4th and 23 -> 43yd FG off the post

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1st and 10 on 13, Eze 5yd run
2nd and 5 on 8, misses open Thomas
3rd and 5, misses open Jalin
FG

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1st and 10 on 19, 3yd Eze run
2nd and 7 on 16, -5 yds Cardale
3rd and 12 on 21, interception

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1st and 10 on 30, Eze 7yd
2nd and 3 on 23, TD pass to Thomas
 
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osubartender23 said:
Boren snapped the ball when he did because he had to. CJ was talking to EZE and the play clock was down to 1. If he doesn't snap it, its a delay of game penalty which would have been the QB's fault, just saying.
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You're absolutely right--snapping the ball when the QB isn't looking and risking a red zone fumble is preferable to taking a 5-yard penalty. :lol:
 
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kujirakira said:
Ever RZ possession in the game. Cardale is directly responsible for gaffing 3 trips, and involved in gaffing a 4th. He also threw away a RZ possession against WMU.

9 offensive possessions that were either 3-and-out or turned over in the first set of downs.
Including 2 and 3-and-outs to begin the game, and 2 3-and-outs to end the game

If you don't think wasted RZ trips and turnovers are a major issue... there's no point discussing anything.

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2nd and 8 on 33, pass to Wilson for 21
1st and 10 on 12, Eze 7yd run
2nd and 3 on 5, Eze no gain
3rd and 3 on 5, incomplete (TE)
FG

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1st and 10 on 41, Cardale pass to Marshall for 34yds and Jalin fumble

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1st and 10 on 13, Brax "penalty"
1st and 25 on 28, Sacked
2nd and 31 on 34, 12yd to Thomas
3rd and 19 on 22, -4yd run by Cardale
4th and 23 -> 43yd FG off the post

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1st and 10 on 13, Eze 5yd run
2nd and 5 on 8, misses open Thomas
3rd and 5, misses open Jalin
FG

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1st and 10 on 19, 3yd Eze run
2nd and 7 on 16, -5 yds Cardale
3rd and 12 on 21, interception

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1st and 10 on 30, Eze 7yd
2nd and 3 on 23, TD pass to Thomas
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There's so much text here and no analysis, that I'm not sure which of these you're blaming on Cardale. But you've got an agenda, and I'm sure you can justify it to yourself, so, just to be clear, I'm not asking. I guess I saw enough other red zone gaffes yesterday like Boren's bad snap, Brax's penalty negating the Jones to Elliott TD pass, Willoughby missing a field goal, Marshall fumbling the ball, questionable play calling and a number of other missteps, such that pinning this all on Cardale seems a bit unfair.

As for three-and-outs, I've watched enough football to understand that they happen. It seems there are people around here who think every drive would result in a TD if JT were behind center. :lol:
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
You're absolutely right--snapping the ball when the QB isn't looking and risking a red zone fumble is preferable to taking a 5-yard penalty. :lol:
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The QB is the leader on the field. When the offense is in such a position of disarray, snap counts are off, etc. ... yea, he's at least partially responsible. This has been an issue all year. It wasn't an issue last year. Same Center. Same skill players involved. Different QB.
 
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