PSU sanctions - 4-yr bowl ban, wins since 1998 vacated, $60M fine

[Dryden]

People thought USC's sanctions would be crippling, but they've survived and then some.

USC:

PSU:

 

[Buckeye86]

USC:

PSU:

FIFY

you have to look at the nature of the violations as well, I mean, USC's violations basically broadcast that if you went there you might get some nice free stuff... Penn State not so much

 

[exhawg]

I think the reason they (NCAA) didn't do that is because of the $60MM fine. They are essentially playing the 2012 season for free.

I know it's not the same and TV time impacts recruiting, but loss of an entire year of revenue seems like a fair substitute for a TV ban.

Instead of the money going to PSU or staying in the hands of their mutant fan base at least now it it will go to a good cause.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

FIFY

you have to look at the nature of the violations as well, I mean, USC's violations basically broadcast that if you went there you might get some nice free stuff... Penn State not so much

Oh, puh-lease.

Toys? Football tickets? Trips to bowl games? (Love & affection?)

Everyone knows the greedy bastard kids were in it for the swag.

 

[CleveBucks]

Problem is the NCAA still has yet to determine whether transfer opportunities will be allowed to other schools that are also on probation or facing scholarship penalties, E.g., Ohio State and USC.

My guess is this will be a big, fat 'no way.'

Does it really matter? Who on that team would you even want at OSU? Most of that talent is mid-tier at best.

 

[Dryden]

Does it really matter? Who on that team would you even want at OSU? Most of that talent is mid-tier at best.

Silas Redd

 

[Muck]

Now it's done (to an extent), was this worse than a two-year Death Penalty (like SMU)?

FWIW SMU received a one year death penalty + forfeiture of their home games the following year. The school decided to just shut it down completely for the second year.

 

[TooTall]

Silas Redd

Yes, please

 

[redguard117]

Silas Redd

I'd rather have Derrick Green for 4 years than Redd for 2, considering our limited schollies

 

[CookyPuss]

Interesting take on the fine:

http://www.volokh.com/2012/07/26/ncaa-to-the-taxpayers-of-pennsylvania-drop-dead/

So let me get this straight: The NCAA is ordering the taxpayers of Pennsylvania, because of the misdeeds of their agents, to set up an endowment program for preventing child sexual abuse and fund it to the tune of sixty million dollars?? And oh, by the way, taxpayers of Pennsylvania: you can take it out of lab space, computers, and teaching salaries, but YOU MAY NOT PAY THIS FINE BY REDUCING CURRENT SPENDING ON ATHLETICS!

This would be hilarious, except it is pathetic, and it has real consequences. I happen to teach at a (different) public institution in Pennsylvania, and I can tell you this: $60 million is a decent-sized chunk of a higher education budget that is under severe strain these days, with the Governor having recently proposed a 30% cut in all higher ed funding because, as he put it, ?we simply don?t have the money.? This is real money we?re talking about, and maybe Penn State needs a 60 million dollar fund for fighting child sex abuse and maybe that money could better be spent elsewhere at the University ? what in God?s name gives the NCAA the right to determine that?

And that it is the NCAA imposing these sanctions takes it from the laughable to the grotesque (and probably unlawful). There are better models out there in the world of Big Sport of organizations built on corruption, greed, and mendacity ? I think of the IOC, for instance (which just today, coincidentally, decided that they couldn?t spare 60 seconds of the Opening Ceremonies for a moment of silence for the Israeli athletes killed in Munich forty years ago), and FIFA ? but there aren?t many of them. If Governor Corbett actually gives a damn about higher eduction, he should give this sanctions order all the respect it deserves, and tell the NCAA, on behalf of the citizens and taxpayers of Pennsylvania, to go to hell.

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[exhawg]

Interesting take on the fine:

http://www.volokh.com/2012/07/26/ncaa-to-the-taxpayers-of-pennsylvania-drop-dead/



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Interesting take, but would it be better for PSU to pay $60 mil or be banned from playing football for the next 4 years instead and not make $24 mil at all? I'm sure the Governor is welcome to void the deal and let the NCAA start an investigation to uncover all the little things that JoePed was doing. The fact that the Prez and the BoT are willing to take the deal show that they know it will be worse if the don't.

 

[LitlBuck]

I would be interested in knowing if the NCAA would allow these guys to play an away game against Hawaii at the end of the season in the next 3-4 years.

 

[jlb1705]

Interesting take on the fine:

http://www.volokh.com/2012/07/26/ncaa-to-the-taxpayers-of-pennsylvania-drop-dead/



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The fine doesn't have a damn thing to do with PA taxpayers. It is an athletics fine, which PSU has chosen to pay out of its strategic cash reserves (if I read correctly before). If this results in any kind of tuition increase or changes to the way other state institutions in PA are funded, it's because PSU will have seized the opportunity to use the fine as an excuse for doing so and nobody will have had the balls to call them on it.

Reading the rest of that blog it's clear that whoever wrote it is not speaking for the interests of taxpayers or other public universities in PA, he's speaking for the interests of the cult. This is just another thing they are going to try to hide behind. To me this is no different than the "don't take the football team away from the victims" argument or the "you're punishing the players" argument.

Oh, and anybody who thinks that taking down a statue to a pedo enabler makes one "holier-than-thou" can fuck off.

 

[buxfan4life]

Interesting take on the fine:

http://www.volokh.com/2012/07/26/ncaa-to-the-taxpayers-of-pennsylvania-drop-dead/



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Wow. This is what happens when people get a sliver of information then post a long diatribe about pretty much nothing.

The $60MM figure represents the average annual football revenues, and the NCAA is punishing the cult like status of the football program, so the monies are coming from the athletic budget which contains $0 worth of tax monies. Furthermore, the AD at Penn State can not tell the woman's field hockey team "Well, since you are not as important to our cult, then we are axing your program so that football can retain as much money as possible."

Simply put, the person who posted that is an idiot.

Edit: jlb said it better and faster than I did.

 

[BB73]

I would be interested in knowing if the NCAA would allow these guys to play an away game against Hawaii at the end of the season in the next 3-4 years.

The wording in tOSU's sanctions prohibited such a game being scheduled in 2012:

The institution's football team shall end its 2012 season with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in-season contest and shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason competition or take advantage of any of the exemptions provided in Bylaw 17.9.5.2, to include an end-of-season conference championship game.

However, the foolish NCAA didn't include the same wording in the PSU sanctions:

the University's football team shall end its 2012 season and each season through 2015 with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in season contest, and shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason competition, including a conference championship ...