PSU sanctions - 4-yr bowl ban, wins since 1998 vacated, $60M fine

[BB73]

the number of scholarships taken...

If its 10 for 4 years is it actually. 10 20 30 40 30 20 10 from the 85 total?

When the numbers are discussed, it usually means that the 10 is subtracted from the 85 each year. "10 for 4 years" sounds harsh, but it really is only severe the first year, when a small number of players are allowed in order to get under the number. After that, the replacement number can be taken each year, and the program isn't getting 10 less guys each year, they just have 10 less total spots, which is an issue for depth.

That's why my proposed reductions have 2 numbers, such as 10/63 and 15/63, so the impact for each year is clear, and the reduction to the 1-AA level is severe over the full course of the sanctions. Hopefully the NCAA will make it clear in that manner.

 

[BigWoof31]

Drove to work today and was listening to Hawk on 1360 in Cincinnati.

Hawk and his loudmouth co-host heard that PSU will play football this year like normal. Beginning in 2013, they will stop the program for two years and return in 2015 for a year of FCS football.

Players free to transfer for the next two years.

 

[BB73]

Here's the bio on Ed Ray, former tOSU economics chair, executive VP and provost, who will be present at Emmert's press conference.

 

[BB73]

I'll edit this as information comes out, and as clarification is needed.

Ed Ray - these actions are "warranted by the conspiracy of silence". Leadership at Penn State "directly violated NCAA bylaws".

Emmert - "sanctions reflect the magnitude of these horrible acts".

Here are the actual sanctions, announced by Mark Emmert at the NCAA news conference:

2012-2015 - seasons with a bowl ban

limit of 15/65 for 2014 trough 2017. Kids can transfer without penalty, or keep a scholly at PSU without playing

$60,000,000 - one-time fine (paid in $12 million/yr over the next 5 years) for the prevention of child abuse

1998 - 2011 - all wins vacated (112 total, 111 for JoePa)

0 years - TV ban

0 seasons without football

5 years probation

 

[BB73]

I paid out two lines of schollies, since it could be considered 40 or 80, depending on the definition.

They're limited to 15/65 for 4 years starting in 2014.

NCAA

 

[buckeyesin07]

Still think they should've been prohibited from playing for at least one year.

 

[kippy1040]

Is it possible that some players will want to transfer to Ohio State since they can now play right away?

 

[ucfknight]

Is it possible that some players will want to transfer to Ohio State since they can now play right away?

I'm sure recruits from the areas close to Ohio/ Ohio recruits would go to Ohio State. sanctions aren't as bad as PSU, plus they can play right away.

 

[exhawg]

I would think any player worth a shit is going to get the hell out of Slappy Valley and no player worth a shit is going to sign their for at least a few years. They are going to be fighting MAC schools for recruits for the next 4 years and after that OSU, Pitt, etc will have stolen all their recruiting grounds.

The sanctions could have gone further, but this will set back their program at least 10 years depending if they have a coach that can build a team from scratch 4 years down the road. Hopefully some other group can go after the school to really make them pay for what they allowed to happen. There really is no penalty that can be enforced for allowing child rape since you can't really burn down the school as much as we would like to see it.

I don't have as much of a problem with the NCAA not shutting them down for a year or two because that team is going to be so bad that the fan base will wish that they put the program on hold. At least the NCAA is ensuring that all the money that PSU makes on the football team for at least this season will go to a good cause. If 60 mil is what they make in a regular season it might take them two seasons to pay it off with these sanctions. Let these mutants watch shitty football for the next decade and remember how great JoePed was. Fuck em.

 

[VBSJ]

Now it's done (to an extent), was this worse than a two-year Death Penalty (like SMU)?

 

[alexhortdog95]

Still think they should've been prohibited from playing for at least one year.

Same here. The next person to get the death penalty is going to look back at this situation and will always have that in their hip pocket.

The NCAA took the teeth from their own rulebook, IMHO.

 

[Dryden]

Is it possible that some players will want to transfer to Ohio State since they can now play right away?

Problem is the NCAA still has yet to determine whether transfer opportunities will be allowed to other schools that are also on probation or facing scholarship penalties, E.g., Ohio State and USC.

My guess is this will be a big, fat 'no way.'

 

[BigWoof31]

Still think they should've been prohibited from playing for at least one year.

I think the reason they (NCAA) didn't do that is because of the $60MM fine. They are essentially playing the 2012 season for free.

I know it's not the same and TV time impacts recruiting, but loss of an entire year of revenue seems like a fair substitute for a TV ban.

 

[OH10]

Now it's done (to an extent), was this worse than a two-year Death Penalty (like SMU)?

No. They'll survive. This year and last year's recruiting classes will be terrible and they will be terrible. But beginning in 2014 they can start to recover from a recruiting standpoint because those kids will have 2 years of postseason eligibility.

People thought USC's sanctions would be crippling, but they've survived and then some. Penn State won't nearly be that fortunate. They'll suck for the next 4-5 years, but remember that Michigan also sucked for 3 years and they're back.

 

[VBSJ]

No. They'll survive. This year and last year's recruiting classes will be terrible and they will be terrible. But beginning in 2014 they can start to recover from a recruiting standpoint because those kids will have 2 years of postseason eligibility.

See, that's why I don't understand why people -- during the media leaks Sunday -- said they'd prefer having the Death Penalty instead of the real sanctions Monday.