Predict 2015 Starting QB

[OSUK]

But in terms of a CFB QB running Urban Meyer's offense, no one has ever done it better, and more efficiently, than JT Barrett. That's why he has to be the guy. How that relates to NFL fortunes, I don't give a shit. :)

 

[BigJim]

No amount of work is going to fix his arm strength, which will always place a ceiling on his draft stock.

Agree to disagree

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

No amount of work is going to fix his arm strength, which will always place a ceiling on his draft stock. He also needs to improve a lot as a passer if he's going to be considered as a distributor despite those limitations. The latter is certainly a possibility.

44 yd TD pass, threw the ball 50 yards.

Another 43 yard pass, thew the ball about 50 yards.

Snapped on the 20, released on the 13, caught on the 40 yard line for a 40 yard pass complete, heaved the ball 47 yards, for an 80 yard TD.

I think he probably caps out throwing the ball 50 yards while maintaining accuracy. Looks like on the last one Smith had to slow a half a step to catch the ball, so yes I would say that's his range. Plenty of NFL teams can work with that.

Meanwhile this is the Cardale pass that got the ball rolling against Wisconsin. 39 yd TD, threw the ball about 52-53 yards.

Cardale tossing the ball about 55 yards (hard to tell exactly)

So I think Cardale has the arm to throw it 60 and probably still be accurate. Even more teams can work with that. But frankly watching an NFL game I see 90% of the passes are under 30 yards, 97% are under 50 yards.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

To sum up I think JT is gone if he gets the start, barring anything happening.

 

[jlb1705]

44 yd TD pass, threw the ball 50 yards.

Another 43 yard pass, thew the ball about 50 yards.

Snapped on the 20, released on the 13, caught on the 40 yard line for a 40 yard pass complete, heaved the ball 47 yards, for an 80 yard TD.

I think he probably caps out throwing the ball 50 yards while maintaining accuracy. Looks like on the last one Smith had to slow a half a step to catch the ball, so yes I would say that's his range. Plenty of NFL teams can work with that.

Meanwhile this is the Cardale pass that got the ball rolling against Wisconsin. 39 yd TD, threw the ball about 52-53 yards.

Cardale tossing the ball about 55 yards (hard to tell exactly)

So I think Cardale has the arm to throw it 60 and probably still be accurate. Even more teams can work with that. But frankly watching an NFL game I see 90% of the passes are under 30 yards, 97% are under 50 yards.

The arm strength the NFL is looking for has more to do with the amount of velocity the QB can put on those intermediate throws. The windows are tighter and defenders can close on even a perfectly timed and thrown ball if it doesn't get there fast enough. That sort of "zip" is a quality that Jones displayed in a handful of instances over his three starts that Barrett does not have. Barrett is highly accurate and makes impeccable decisions. That makes him an excellent QB in his own right and perhaps a better choice for what Ohio State needs this season. It doesn't necessarily make him a good fit for the NFL though.

 

[jwinslow]

So I think Cardale has the arm to throw it 60 and probably still be accurate. Even more teams can work with that. But frankly watching an NFL game I see 90% of the passes are under 30 yards, 97% are under 50 yards.

I'm not talking about moonshots. I'm talking about how quickly regular passes get there and how much time the defender has to recover. In the NFL, he needs to be able to throw it from the far hash to the opposite sideline. If his diagnosis, decision and release are ideal, but his arm strength is just average, it gives the opposing defender time to recover and make a play on the ball. If it is weak by NFL standards like Barrett's, now the ball is arriving even slower and risking an interception.

Now his intelligence, continued development (a safe assumption) and mobility should get him a shot in the NFL. But the above will keep his draft stock lower before he has a chance to prove them wrong in training camp.

 

[matcar]

I'm not talking about moonshots. I'm talking about how quickly regular passes get there and how much time the defender has to recover. In the NFL, he needs to be able to throw it from the far hash to the opposite sideline. If his diagnosis, decision and release are ideal, but his arm strength is just average, it gives the opposing defender time to recover and make a play on the ball. If it is weak by NFL standards like Barrett's, now the ball is arriving even slower and risking an interception.

Yes. I love JTB, and what he does for us was and will be outstanding. But his throws are quite a bit softer than Jones, that won't cut it in the NFL.

 

[Buckeye86]

With Braxton moving to H-back, I still think JT and Cardale will rotate situationally.

Then again, if JT is the starter Cardale will still get plenty of time to boost his draft stock in mop up duty for most games.

It seems unlikely the "starter" would need to go more than a half if things go well in quite a few games.

 

[Hstead]

Chad Pennington didn't have a very strong arm but did ok in the nfl.

 

[OHSportsFan]

With Braxton moving to H-back, I still think JT and Cardale will rotate situationally.

Then again, if JT is the starter Cardale will still get plenty of time to boost his draft stock in mop up duty for most games.

It seems unlikely the "starter" would need to go more than a half if things go well in quite a few games.

I was going to post in the other QB thread tonight before the Braxton news that the "3rd string" quarterback would see just as much time as the first 2 in a lot of games.

This team will average over 50ppg. There's going to be a number of opponents that could have half a hundred laid on them by halftime (Hawaii, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan). Mop duty was definitely going to lend itself to helping share the snaps.

But now it's down to 2.

 

[scarletngray]

I think we win every game with either JT or CJ so no worries either way. I think that we see both play in each game but I think JT will be the starter. CJ has earned the right to game time in my opinion and Braxton moving to HBack makes that very doable now.

 

[Buckeye Maniac]

I was going to post in the other QB thread tonight before the Braxton news that the "3rd string" quarterback would see just as much time as the first 2 in a lot of games.

This team will average over 50ppg. There's going to be a number of opponents that could have half a hundred laid on them by halftime (Hawaii, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan). Mop duty was definitely going to lend itself to helping share the snaps.

But now it's down to 2.

Clearly we can't have the starter showing up the backup that much, so if we've got 50 points by the half, then we better be scoring 100 for the game.

 

[kujirakira]

I'm not talking about moonshots. I'm talking about how quickly regular passes get there and how much time the defender has to recover. In the NFL, he needs to be able to throw it from the far hash to the opposite sideline. If his diagnosis, decision and release are ideal, but his arm strength is just average, it gives the opposing defender time to recover and make a play on the ball. If it is weak by NFL standards like Barrett's, now the ball is arriving even slower and risking an interception.

Now his intelligence, continued development (a safe assumption) and mobility should get him a shot in the NFL. But the above will keep his draft stock lower before he has a chance to prove them wrong in training camp.

While I think you're dead on... it hasn't stopped guys like Bridgewater and Leinart going in the 1st round.
And plenty others landing a starting gig despite the limitation -- though very few of them stick more than a season or two.
While his arm very well may limit his success in the NFL, it doesn't seem like there's any reason he couldn't still be a mid-late 1st round pick. Teams don't seem terribly savvy on this point and regularly rationalize how they could make up for this specific limitation.

 

[youngbuck_9]

Good thing this isn't the NFL...

I want the guy who will make the least amount of mistakes - to me, that's Barrett.

 

[cincibuck]

I'm not talking about moonshots. I'm talking about how quickly regular passes get there and how much time the defender has to recover. In the NFL, he needs to be able to throw it from the far hash to the opposite sideline. If his diagnosis, decision and release are ideal, but his arm strength is just average, it gives the opposing defender time to recover and make a play on the ball. If it is weak by NFL standards like Barrett's, now the ball is arriving even slower and risking an interception.

Now his intelligence, continued development (a safe assumption) and mobility should get him a shot in the NFL. But the above will keep his draft stock lower before he has a chance to prove them wrong in training camp.

How would you compare him to Seattle's Wilson since I see them as similarly skilled?