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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
scarletngrey77: "And you can prove this???"
I don't have to prove it. Zwick has had every opportunity in the world to beat out Troy and win the job. Has he done it?? No.
He's supposed to be this great pocket passer, but Smith is as good in the pocket as he is and has a better arm.
Zwick was Tressel's biggest "name" recruit. He also coached his brother at YSU. He even gives him opportunities to throw the ball in the 4th Qtr of blowout games (which is very un-Tressel-like). And, on top of all those things, Smith has done everything off the field to hand the job back to Justin. AND HE STILL CAN'T BEAT HIM OUT FOR THE JOB!!
What does that tell you? Has Zwick done a single thing on the field to make you say, "Wow, he should be the starter!"
I'm not saying Troy is the answer. He's maddingly inconsistent, fumbles the ball way too much, and can't consistently get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. But he's still better than Zwick. Period.
I don't have to prove it. Zwick has had every opportunity in the world to beat out Troy and win the job. Has he done it?? No.
He's supposed to be this great pocket passer, but Smith is as good in the pocket as he is and has a better arm.
Zwick was Tressel's biggest "name" recruit. He also coached his brother at YSU. He even gives him opportunities to throw the ball in the 4th Qtr of blowout games (which is very un-Tressel-like). And, on top of all those things, Smith has done everything off the field to hand the job back to Justin. AND HE STILL CAN'T BEAT HIM OUT FOR THE JOB!!
What does that tell you? Has Zwick done a single thing on the field to make you say, "Wow, he should be the starter!"
I'm not saying Troy is the answer. He's maddingly inconsistent, fumbles the ball way too much, and can't consistently get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. But he's still better than Zwick. Period.
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HineyBuck
Old newb
Having slept it off, here is my $.02:
OFFENSE:
O-LINE: Early in the game they seemed to be getting a good push. Then, when Barton went down and we re-shuffled, we seemed to go a bit flat. IMO, if we had stayed with the running game, the line might have re-established itself. Penn State D-Line really stepped it up in the second half.
SKILL GUYS: Does anyone else think Santonio's foot may be hurting him more than we realize? Ginn may be exceptionally talented, but he is not yet exceptionally "skilled." Gonzo was gone. Where? Why?
RUNNING GAME: How many carries did Pittman have in the second half? Running game was effective in the first half. Where did it go?
TIGHT END: Not meant as a knock on Hamby, but a National Championship calibre team really needs a dominating tight end.
QB: Don't want to stir this pot more than it has been, but this is what you get with Troy Smith--tremendous upside, but he will cost us critical turnovers from time to time.
DEFENSE: Played one heckuva solid game, but they did not get the turnover we needed. Don't want to complain about the missed holding calls, but . . .
SPECIAL TEAMS: What we wouldn't give for the return of the return game.
PENN STATE: Gotta give it up for the Lions--they came to play. Offense played mistake free and did just enough to win against a great defense. Their defense played lights out. Great second half.
BOTTOM LINE: Night game on a wet field at their place, with two great defenses on the field, turnover margin wins the game.
Congrats to Joe Pa and the Lions. We didn't lose the game, they won it.
OFFENSE:
O-LINE: Early in the game they seemed to be getting a good push. Then, when Barton went down and we re-shuffled, we seemed to go a bit flat. IMO, if we had stayed with the running game, the line might have re-established itself. Penn State D-Line really stepped it up in the second half.
SKILL GUYS: Does anyone else think Santonio's foot may be hurting him more than we realize? Ginn may be exceptionally talented, but he is not yet exceptionally "skilled." Gonzo was gone. Where? Why?
RUNNING GAME: How many carries did Pittman have in the second half? Running game was effective in the first half. Where did it go?
TIGHT END: Not meant as a knock on Hamby, but a National Championship calibre team really needs a dominating tight end.
QB: Don't want to stir this pot more than it has been, but this is what you get with Troy Smith--tremendous upside, but he will cost us critical turnovers from time to time.
DEFENSE: Played one heckuva solid game, but they did not get the turnover we needed. Don't want to complain about the missed holding calls, but . . .
SPECIAL TEAMS: What we wouldn't give for the return of the return game.
PENN STATE: Gotta give it up for the Lions--they came to play. Offense played mistake free and did just enough to win against a great defense. Their defense played lights out. Great second half.
BOTTOM LINE: Night game on a wet field at their place, with two great defenses on the field, turnover margin wins the game.
Congrats to Joe Pa and the Lions. We didn't lose the game, they won it.
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
I'm not sure how much of it was Smith rather than an insane amount of pressure coming from Penn St's good defense. Our offensive line looked very bad in pass protection last night, I'm not sure if it was because of poor execution......or just a very good veteran Penn St. defensive line. If anyone cares to research, Penn St. is a very good defensive team.........probably one of the top 2 in the Big Ten.
I'll be honest here fellas, we were flat out beat last night. We looked flat on offense all night, and very predictible for the most part. Ted Ginn is in serious need of a good game, I can honestly see his confidence sink with every play that goes bad. Smith is Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde, he looks all world one week, then very bad the next week. I'm not sure what the cure is for the problems........I think it's execution.
The sad thing is (or good, depending on which way you look at it) is that we are still a Penn St. loss (coming next week in Ann Arbor) from a tie for first place. Things are not as bad as they could be, we can still win the Big Ten.
I'll be honest here fellas, we were flat out beat last night. We looked flat on offense all night, and very predictible for the most part. Ted Ginn is in serious need of a good game, I can honestly see his confidence sink with every play that goes bad. Smith is Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde, he looks all world one week, then very bad the next week. I'm not sure what the cure is for the problems........I think it's execution.
The sad thing is (or good, depending on which way you look at it) is that we are still a Penn St. loss (coming next week in Ann Arbor) from a tie for first place. Things are not as bad as they could be, we can still win the Big Ten.
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Um, it's not hard to look great against OkState or Miami. It was admirable to play thru pain in the bowl game, but those were extremely bad defenses. Plus there are coaches on this team. And they watched practice all spring and all fall. Guess who they picked as the starter?
If troy can fumble the ball as much as he does and still not ever be replaced, that tells you about the disparity between the two QBs.
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I don't even want to talk about the b10 title because we aren't going to win it, but your assumption would be slightly incorrect.
A PSU loss still keeps them in 1st place due to the tie breaker(head to head) vs us. We now need them to lose twice....oh goodie.
Lets just go beat scUM's ass and call it a year. What a waste.
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smith288
Compelling Protagonist
Looking back, is Troy given too much credit for the Michigan game when it was actually typical crappy Michigan defense?
I know UM victories make Buckeye legends but this is a new year and Troy from last year looks like he took a vacation replaced with some guy with happy feet and nill pocket presense.
I know UM victories make Buckeye legends but this is a new year and Troy from last year looks like he took a vacation replaced with some guy with happy feet and nill pocket presense.
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BTW.. I feel just as shitty this morning as I felt last night...
thought a good night sleep would help... not...
thought a good night sleep would help... not...
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Sdgobucks
Pig on a wing
Everyone is bitching about the QB play, but from what I saw the big difference between TS who LOOKED terrible and the PSU QB who looked like a hiesman candidate what time to make reads and throw a good ball. PSU gave their QB great protection; our O-line put our QB on the run. When we blitz PSU picked it up 95% of the time, when PSU blitzed we picked it up 5% of the time. Throw in the fact that our receivers were not getting open, or dropping passes, and you will not have very many good drives.<O:p</O:p
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The problem comes back to what it has always been since JT has been coach.<O:p</O:p
Jim Bollman and the offensive line.<O:p</O:p
This is Bollman's 5th year, he has had time to recruit, teach, and train the players he wants to run his O-line system. It has failed to work in the big ten. It will never work in the big ten. Either it or Bollman needs to go.<O:p</O:p
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The problem comes back to what it has always been since JT has been coach.<O:p</O:p
Jim Bollman and the offensive line.<O:p</O:p
This is Bollman's 5th year, he has had time to recruit, teach, and train the players he wants to run his O-line system. It has failed to work in the big ten. It will never work in the big ten. Either it or Bollman needs to go.<O:p</O:p
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buckeyeboy
Still fortitudinous
I agree with this. If you look at most (not all) of the problems our offense is having, they start with the O line. Yeah, Troy should have thrown the ball out of bounds a few times last night, but it was way too often that he had very little time to throw the ball. Moreover, I think Pittman's a good back--he's shown good speed and the ability to break tackles; therefore, when he carries the ball 15 times and only has 58 yards (3.9 avg), I think again that there's problems with the line. And ask yourself when was the last time we had a running game that other teams feared--it was probably when MoC was here, but even with him, he got a lot of his yards on his own talent by breaking tackles and was beaten up by the middle of the year and had to sit out as a result. The O line just hasn't been getting it done for several years now. And, as has been said several times before on this site, it's not a talent problem.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
I don't know if you can give Troy too much credit for taking full and devastating advantage of a sCUM defense that remains porous to the run.
As further evidence of which simply look to their loss yesterday at the hands of the Gophers on their own turf. With the clock winding down they cannot contain a play that was probably only intended to ensure ball security and help take matters into overtime. A few seconds later they are inside the Michigan 15 yard line and staring likely defeat in the face.
ASIDE: Because I was travelling in NE Ohio at the time I caught the LLloyd post-game interview on the "Michigan Sports Radio Network."
The whole family was struck by just how poor Llloyd's verbal skills are. Every three words or so are interrupted with "err." He truly came across as a dim-bulb. In fact, asked by the Detroit station's commentator for his reasoning on what had gone wrong he came up with a rambling response somewhat like this:
"
Err
was it the
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line or
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the defense, well we couldn't
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get things bottled up,
Err
I really don't know what went wrong today
Err"
The last line is absolutely what he said! The prior lines are substitutes for what he probably said, frankly given the disjointed manner of Carr's speech you could not find a coherent thread or thought.
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