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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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In general terms, LOIC has traditionally meant that the University's administration does not have complete control of it's athletes and/or coaches to keep them operating within the rules.

At PedState, the Administration and coaches were the ones who were operating with no oversight or controlling body and they were the ones committing the violations.

I don't know what you call that, but it seems to me that the death penalty should have been administered. If it was warranted at SMU, how could it not be here?
 
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OSUK said:
Does "institutional control" mean that you control, and are responsible for, every person within the program and their acts/decisions? If so, I dare say no one has institutional control. Urban and Gene Smith had LOIC with Tracey Sprinkle. They should have been staking out the Grown and Sexy on July 4. I am being ridiculous to demonstrate how ridiculous the concept is.
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No, that's Failure to Monitor, which is what we were hit with. We failed to appropriately monitor what Jim Tressel and his players were doing. LOIC is a much graver penalty. It is essentially saying that the university administration has no control over the football program or in extreme cases (Penn State, Switzer's Oklahoma or SMU) is utterly beholden and controlled by it, the classic tail wagging the dog case. Clearly, that was not the case with us as we self-reported Tressel's violations and fired him.

Now, everybody knows that I'm no JT fan and felt the first thing out of Smith's mouth at that abortion of a press conference should have been, "as of this morning, Jim Tressel has been relieved of his duties as head football coach at The Ohio State University." That being said, his compliance department was a complete clusterfuck of overseeing what was going on in the football program, and he should have followed Tressel right out the door.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Penn State had a LOIC, because the cart was pushing the horse. The football coach hand picked the leadership of the athletic department, and basically told the University administration how it was going to be. The crimes were hidden for the purpose of not damaging the football team's brand. There was no compliance monitoring at Penn State - NONE. The culture at that school was rotten to the core, and it needed to be changed. Personally, I believe they should have gotten the death penalty, because I have never seen such a glaring example of LOIC!
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I've never seen a case of a football coach being able to force the firing of a university VP for interfering in the football program. Now, maybe at places like Oklahoma, no VP would dare interfere, but still. SMU's trustees and President had a slush fund for football players. Penn State's trustees and President were taking orders to commit crimes, cover ups, fire administrators and ignore federal reporting laws from the football coach. Which is worse?
 
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And if you listen to the cult, because the NCAA didn't specify that this kind of conduct was covered under the scope of LOIC, then the NCAA had no authority to act? I'm sorry, that's BS! The reason that the NCAA didn't specify this brand of conduct is because this whole case is so f***ing disgusting that nobody in their right mind would have anticipated it!
 
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Both the educational administration and athletic administration that overlooked Sandusky's atrocities are gone. The NCAA believes the new administrations are exercising appropriate controls. I think it's time to move on. Have no problem with lifting the sanctions at this time.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
No, that's Failure to Monitor, which is what we were hit with. We failed to appropriately monitor what Jim Tressel and his players were doing. LOIC is a much graver penalty. It is essentially saying that the university administration has no control over the football program or in extreme cases (Penn State, Switzer's Oklahoma or SMU) is utterly beholden and controlled by it, the classic tail wagging the dog case. Clearly, that was not the case with us as we self-reported Tressel's violations and fired him.

Now, everybody knows that I'm no JT fan and felt the first thing out of Smith's mouth at that abortion of a press conference should have been, "as of this morning, Jim Tressel has been relieved of his duties as head football coach at The Ohio State University." That being said, his compliance department was a complete clusterfuck of overseeing what was going on in the football program, and he should have followed Tressel right out the door.
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Hard to argue with that.
 
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Fuck ped state.

I dislike scUM as they are The Rival

I actually hate that shithole in Slappy Valley. Seriously. Fuck them and fuck their diety; that fraudulent, pedophile enabling piece of shit Joe Paterno. I hope he is enjoying hell.
 
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These idiots like Todd Blackledge tweeting that the NCAA had no "business punishing Ped State over a criminal investigations" don't get it. It had nothing to do with a criminal investigation. This was about a football program selling itself to recruits as the cleanest program in the country while behind the scenes they were doing everything they could to cover up horrific actions by an ex-coach all to keep their rep clean. The reason the NCAA came down so hard was that Spanier was on the infractions committee for years and one of the more vocal proponents of harsh sanctions for rules infractions. They NCAA felt like they got played by Spanier and Paterno and thus the 4 year sanctions.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Both the educational administration and athletic administration that overlooked Sandusky's atrocities are gone. The NCAA believes the new administrations are exercising appropriate controls. I think it's time to move on. Have no problem with lifting the sanctions at this time.
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The culture is still there. The very same culture that adored (aided and abetted?) the heinous crimes is still alive and well in people on their Board of Trustees.

Ped State won't be clean for at least a generation. Probably more like 2 or 3.
 
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Mike80 said:
The culture is still there. The very same culture that adored (aided and abetted?) the heinous crimes is still alive and well in people on their Board of Trustees.

Ped State won't be clean for at least a generation. Probably more like 2 or 3.
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This decision makes it so they'll never be clean. The idiocy is just going to be passed on from generation to generation.
 
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colobuck79 said:
You should move to Pennsyltucky. I will make a donation to help cover your moving costs.
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