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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Mike80 said:
The culture is still there. The very same culture that adored (aided and abetted?) the heinous crimes is still alive and well in people on their Board of Trustees.

Ped State won't be clean for at least a generation. Probably more like 2 or 3.
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Penn State will never be clean; suggesting otherwise is like saying Auschwitz is just like any other town in Poland. That doesn't mean, though, that their athletic program should remain on probation or under sanctions.

JMO. Others obviously differ, which is fine.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Penn State will never be clean; suggesting otherwise is like saying Auschwitz is just like any other town in Poland. That doesn't mean, though, that their athletic program should remain on probation or under sanctions.

JMO. Others obviously differ, which is fine.
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still tho....you don't let somebody off of a punishment because they stopped doing the worst thing imaginable and started doing what every other team already did without being hammered for it.
 
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Well, this is just terrible. When the Pedsters go on other boards, fans and alums of other schools say bad things about covering up *** raping children. Don't those other fans know that what happened was just the result of one man and certainly did not involve Joesus? Those other schools are just jealous because the sleeping giant is now awakening after being unfairly punished? :shake:

http://pennstate.scout.com/forums/1395-audibles-board/13140989-frequenting-other-boards?s=157
 
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Joe Pa Thetic said:
Well, this is just terrible. When the Pedsters go on other boards, fans and alums of other schools say bad things about covering up *** raping children. Don't those other fans know that what happened was just the result of one man and certainly did not involve Joesus? Those other schools are just jealous because the sleeping giant is now awakening after being unfairly punished? :shake:

http://pennstate.scout.com/forums/1395-audibles-board/13140989-frequenting-other-boards?s=157
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Winning and winning often will change that narrative rather quickly.





^^^^ Somebody should tell that guy no amount of wins will ever make people stop talking about how their university enabled a child rapist^^^^^
 
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OSUK said:
Does "institutional control" mean that you control, and are responsible for, every person within the program and their acts/decisions? If so, I dare say no one has institutional control. Urban and Gene Smith had LOIC with Tracey Sprinkle. They should have been staking out the Grown and Sexy on July 4. I am being ridiculous to demonstrate how ridiculous the concept is.

My understanding is that institutional control means that the rules are explained, some mechanisms are set in place to prevent common violations, and when a problem does occur, it is honestly reported and dealt with. Obviously, the Penn State football coach failed to do what he should have done, and the 2 AD guys, along with Spainier, failed to deal with the problem honestly. So, a clear example of LOIC.

But where I get hung up is how you punish/correct a LOIC. Paterno was fired, as were Curley, Schultz, and Spanier, and the latter 3 are facing prosecution. That LOIC seems to have brought very severe penalties to those responsible PRIOR TO, AND WITHOUT, ANY NCAA INVOLVEMENT. But then we also have this idea that the program had become so important that it created the context where a child rapist/pedophile's crimes were kept quiet. Yeah, I want that punished too so there is a bowl ban, loss of scholarships, and a huge fine. 60M fine seems to have a sufficient ouch factor. A 4 year ban and making PSU an FCS school is where we get into punishing players and coaches - who have no connection to the misdeeds, and had no hand in creating the culture in which the misdeeds occured. That's what I have a problem with because it is unfair on it's face (just as unfair as Ohio State taking the field with 3 less guys this year because of 2010-11 violations), and it isn't punishing anyone who was responsible for the LOIC or context it occured in - so how can it be corrective or helpful? It makes no sense.

I found the students' chanting of Paterno's name after the announcement of dropped sanctions in poor taste, and indicative that this particular group still doesn't get it. But do we want to suggest that the NCAA start regulating and sanctioning the thoughts and attitudes of fans? God help us if they start that nonsense.
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I don't agree with the idea that any players were punished. They went there knowing the sanctions and what happened. And the athletes who were there were given a freebie to jump ship.
First off, if those sanctions weren't appropriate, then they shouldn't have ever handed them down. What is with the need to repeal sanctions in order to look merciful ? That's bollocks. Hand down appropriate punishments the first time.
Secondly, I think they were fair. The program deserved, and deserves, to be punished. The University, particularly the Athletic Dept and especially the Football team, were in no small part responsible for what happened. Just b/c there were criminal consequences doesn't mean there shouldn't be civil consequences, or that other organizations -- such as the NCAA -- shouldn't take action themselves.
Otherwise we fall into the Goodell Catch-22, when he claimed Ray Rice arguably shouldn't even be punished by NFL b/c there were no legal consequences and thus 2 games was unheard of. And now you're saying that if there are legal consequences, then that's sufficient and nothing further should be done. I don't buy either of those trains of thought.


MaxBuck said:
Both the educational administration and athletic administration that overlooked Sandusky's atrocities are gone. The NCAA believes the new administrations are exercising appropriate controls. I think it's time to move on. Have no problem with lifting the sanctions at this time.
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Yea cuz Barron takes a hard stance on rape and would never let his athletics department interfere with an investigation for months on end. Nor keep the school from conducting the legally-required investigation into rape allegations for 18+ months, which seems to have only started now that Barron is gone.


LostLassie said:
What is it about the 11th of September, exactly, that horrible things keep happening on that date?

Are these bastards actually going to end up winning?
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Saw31 hinted at same, but this isn't really a "victory". They filed a case, the NCAA asked for a dismissal (as they will always do for any case b/c they have more lawyers than anything else) ... Judge ruled against dismissal.
I don't think the discovery process will help Penn State one bit. The Paternos are not their friends, even if the cult prefers them over the University itself.
 
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Not surprising that The Cult would turn a story about seeing James Franklin in a grocery store into one Joebot after another trying to top each other with tales about seeing Joesus himself out and about in State College or on campus. Just shake my head at the story of the guy playing a pickup football game in the snow when Joesus happened to walk past and the intensity level of the game "got ratcheted up a few notches." :sick1:

http://pennstate.scout.com/forums/1395-audibles-board/13142281-hi-coach-franklin?s=157
 
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