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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Joesus never had any problem with some of the worst calls in college football history when it was his hand-picked home ref crews making them, not to mention the inevitable string of holding calls that an opposing offense would get whenever they seemed to be picking up momentum at the erector set. It was only after he got to the Big Ten and had to deal with impartial refs sometimes blowing calls in the other team's favor that it became a problem.

20 year old pampered "kids" getting called for holding = one of the greatest tragedies in college sports.
10 year old kids getting repeatedly assfucked by a pedarast using his football program as the bait = nothing to see here or ruin a weekend over.

The man was sick and rotten and evil to his very core, and the grift that he pulled over on America was one of the greatest con jobs in history. I'm just glad he lived just long enough to watch it all unravel and know that he would die as a reviled, disgraceful and hated human being.

BEAT NEBRASKA!
 
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cincibuck said:
Will we ever know what has gone on with Jameius? What about rape charges at Michigan and Notre Dame? How about housing and God knows what else at USC, and how many criminal proceedings were settled out of court and out of sight at Ohio State? When hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake all programs are susceptible to cover ups and denial.

The Penn State case is so egregious because it involves children, a coach/pedophile and an enabling set of superiors - don't know how the actual PSU chain of command was charted then, so let's use the standard - from head coach to AD, to security VP, to President.

If the same set of circumstances hit Ohio State I can't say that I wouldn't be in a state of denial for a period of time. Without excusing the collective stupidity on BWI, I can understand their initial shock because the reality is at such a level of unbelievably disgusting.
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The same set of circumstances wouldn't hit Ohio State. The closest thing Ohio State ever had to Joe Paterno was Woody Hayes. He was shown the door the day after swinging at a kid. The very next day.....and as my dad tells me, everybody knew it was coming and accepted it. Penn State is in it's own universe when it comes to secluding itself from the world for decades while one person was at the helm of anything positive they ever experienced. I can't imagine another sports program that could or would hide something like child molestation for decades to protect one man. I say that as a person who absolutely despised Penn State before Sandusky, but I also say it as a person who tries to remove bias from the situation. I can't see another program so dedicated to the myth of one man like they were/still are.
 
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If there is a hell and Joesus is there...... No strike that, if there is a hell, I know joesus is there.....I like to think a big part of Joesus' day is spent having to read every message board comment, every Doyle column, every negative word written about him over and over and over.....having to read every condemnation and dismantling of the fraudulent myth he built up around himself. Every moment of his existence is spent having the failure of his life crammed down his throat like a cosmic shit sandwich.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
The same set of circumstances wouldn't hit Ohio State. The closest thing Ohio State ever had to Joe Paterno was Woody Hayes. He was shown the door the day after swinging at a kid. The very next day.....and as my dad tells me, everybody knew it was coming and accepted it. Penn State is in it's own universe when it comes to secluding itself from the world for decades while one person was at the helm of anything positive they ever experienced. I can't imagine another sports program that could or would hide something like child molestation for decades to protect one man. I say that as a person who absolutely despised Penn State before Sandusky, but I also say it as a person who tries to remove bias from the situation. I can't see another program so dedicated to the myth of one man like they were/still are.
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Agreed. When Woody hit Charlie Bauman we all knew he was finished, just as we all knew that Cooper's days were over when an out of control Buckeye squad got hit with a number of personal fouls against South Carolina, or when we discovered that Tressel lied to investigators.

BUT in no way do these examples come anywhere near the level of long term, absence of responsibility and moral turpitude represented by the behavior of Sandusky, Paterno, McGuire, Spaniel et al, and that's my point. I can believe, and have no problem in accepting that these things, hitting Bauman, program discipline, Tress lying to the NCAA, happened at Ohio State. There's no need to look for excuses or run to denial, but If I found out that an assistant coach had done the things that Sandusky did and a beloved coach and his AD, a noted player and the top brass of the school covered it up - you better believe I'd struggle to accept that it happened. I hope my denial would fade much sooner than these clowns at BWI, but my initial response would be to hope it wasn't so.
 
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cincibuck said:
Agreed. When Woody hit Charlie Bauman we all knew he was finished, just as we all knew that Cooper's days were over when an out of control Buckeye squad got hit with a number of personal fouls against South Carolina, or when we discovered that Tressel lied to investigators.

BUT in no way do these examples come anywhere near the level of long term, absence of responsibility and moral turpitude represented by the behavior of Sandusky, Paterno, McGuire, Spaniel et al, and that's my point. I can believe, and have no problem in accepting that these things happened at Ohio State. There's no need to look for excuses or run to denial, but If I found out that an assistant coach had done the things that Sandusky did and a beloved coach and his AD, a noted player and the top brass of the school covered it up - you better believe I'd struggle to accept that it happened. I hope my denial would fade much sooner than these clowns at BWI, but my initial response would be hope it wasn't so.
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I'm with you on everything but Cooper. That Carolina game was the last straw but if he didn't have 2-10-1 hanging over his head that game alone wasn't enough to be canned over.

Maybe it's semantics but I don't want us to sound like those holier than thou PSU history revisors. If Coop was 10-2-1 those guys could have been out there tea bagging defensesless players and he wouldn't have been fired (well that May have done it but hopefully I made my point).
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'm with you on everything but Cooper. That Carolina game was the last straw but if he didn't have 2-10-1 hanging over his head that game alone wasn't enough to be canned over.

Maybe it's semantics but I don't want us to sound like those holier than thou PSU history revisors. If Coop was 10-2-1 those guys could have been out there tea bagging defensesless players and he wouldn't have been fired (well that May have done it but hopefully I made my point).
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Teabagging Mark May? No wonder he has such a big grudge!
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'm with you on everything but Cooper. That Carolina game was the last straw but if he didn't have 2-10-1 hanging over his head that game alone wasn't enough to be canned over.

Maybe it's semantics but I don't want us to sound like those holier than thou PSU history revisors. If Coop was 10-2-1 those guys could have been out there tea bagging defensesless players and he wouldn't have been fired (well that May have done it but hopefully I made my point).
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Jim Tressel says, "Hello."

Coop got whacked for a lot of reasons all creating the perfect storm in 2000-2001: off field problems, abysmal graduation rates, arrests, thuggery on the field and losses. His track record against Michigan certainly played into it, but I don't think it was solely enough to fire him nor would the opposite have protected him given all the other things going wrong in his program.

My point is that JT proves that if other things go bad enough, dominating Michigan will not save your job, and Cooper proves that shitting the bed against Michigan alone will not get you ousted.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Jim Tressel says, "Hello."

Coop got whacked for a lot of reasons all creating the perfect storm in 2000-2001: off field problems, abysmal graduation rates, arrests, thuggery on the field and losses. His track record against Michigan certainly played into it, but I don't think it was solely enough to fire him nor would the opposite have protected him given all the other things going wrong in his program.

My point is that JT proves that if other things go bad enough, dominating Michigan will not save your job, and Cooper proves that [Mark May]ting the bed against Michigan alone will not get you ousted.
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Tress got fired, rightly so, for lying to the NCAA. His record in The Game couldn't and shouldn't have saved him from that.

Take tresses record and tell me with a straight face he ever gets fired solely because his players are trash talking and showboating a lot.

That's all I am saying, we shouldn't be holding ourselves out there as the face of virtue a la our deranged friends at BWI. If the W/L record is straight we will look past certain shit just like anyone else.

We won't look past a coach lying to the NCAA, punching a player or enabling a serial pedophile but we aren't firing a successful HC over "swagger" stuff either. Let's be real.
 
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Yeah, I agree that the swagger alone wouldn't have ousted Cooper. Throw in the arrests, bowl chokes, academics (Reggie Blutarsky) and everything else, and I don't think success with Michigan would have saved him. The program really seemed to be spiraling out of control similar to the way the basketball program had recently imploded under the Fredoite. It would have been a harder decision than with JT (which once the shock settled, was pretty cut and dried), but I still think a change would have been made.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Yeah, I agree that the swagger alone wouldn't have ousted Cooper. Throw in the arrests, bowl chokes, academics (Reggie Blutarsky) and everything else, and I don't think success with Michigan would have saved him. The program really seemed to be spiraling out of control similar to the way the basketball program had recently imploded under the Fredoite. It would have been a harder decision than with JT (which once the shock settled, was pretty cut and dried), but I still think a change would have been made.
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Agreed. Coop got shit canned for his body of work (not just 2-10-1)

Cincy just said it as if he were fired for some on field swagger stuff and I hate even remotely sounding like those delusional fuckheads from Penn State. We aren't firing any successful coach for isolated on field behavior issues. See Reynolds, Robert one each.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Agreed. Coop got [Mark May] canned for his body of work (not just 2-10-1)

Cincy just said it as if he were fired for some on field swagger stuff and I hate even remotely sounding like those delusional fuckheads from Penn State. We aren't firing any successful coach for isolated on field behavior issues. See Reynolds, Robert one each.
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I think we're both saying the same thing. I stated that Tress was fired for lying. I made no mention of swag or tattoos. The point is that we OSU fans may have been shocked by each incident, but we knew that the institution would take responsible steps and it did.

But, if we were faced, as Penn State fans are, with a situation where those in charge of the football program, and the university, ignored their responsibilities with regard to the hideous situation of having a pedophile on staff, if they instead enabled his activities, if they planned a cover up. and if it went on for several years, we would be in a moment of cognitive dissidence.

In such a situation some of us, myself included, might well not accept the evidence for a period of time. That's simply a product of human nature. I would hope that we would soon come to our collective senses.

That progression is totally absent in much of what we see on BWI. The failure of their monitors to step in immediately and right the ship has allowed this nonsense to continue and develop into a community of warped minds, unable to step outside and see the faults in their position.
 
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