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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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cincibuck said:
I think we're both saying the same thing. I stated that Tress was fired for lying. I made no mention of swag or tattoos. The point is that we OSU fans may have been shocked by each incident, but we knew that the institution would take responsible steps and it did.

But, if we were faced, as Penn State fans are, with a situation where those in charge of the football program, and the university, ignored their responsibilities with regard to the hideous situation of having a pedophile on staff, if they instead enabled his activities, if they planned a cover up. and if it went on for several years, we would be in a moment of cognitive dissidence.

In such a situation some of us, myself included, might well not accept the evidence for a period of time. That's simply a product of human nature. I would hope that we would soon come to our collective senses.

That progression is totally absent in much of what we see on BWI. The failure of their monitors to step in immediately and right the ship has allowed this nonsense to continue and develop into a community of warped minds, unable to step outside and see the faults in their position.
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Completely agree.

This happened at OSU and I'm headed to Columbus pitchfork and torch in hand(and not to protest the "injustice" to the football program either).

I am in the camp that says football at the OSU level is a semi pro sport and conflicts with the academic mission of the university so yeah, I would have a hard time with a serial pedophile on staff and cult like worship of the enabling head coach. In fact I'd be firmly in the "let's shut it down, cool off and maybe start playing DIII again in a few years" kind of approach.

I shall be damned if you ever found me defending the holy wins or statues the like a certain pack of reprehensible, sick, twisted sycophants are.
 
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Saw the following in a thread on BWI about the Tracy Sprinkle situation. Post PSU_Nut is responding to "9fold" (one of the real whack jobs over there). I assume the cult will sending their crack investigative team to try to find this guy now.

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gmen6981 said:
Saw the following in a thread on BWI about the Tracy Sprinkle situation. Post PSU_Nut is responding to "9fold" (one of the real whack jobs over there). I assume the cult will sending their crack investigative team to try to find this guy now.

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That's the core belief that Paterno instilled in the cult: you just don't root for a better football team than the other guy; you are a morally superior human being to the other guy because you root for my football team.

And it's the desperate need to feel superior through their relationship to Joesus and all the myths he built up around himself which is why they will never, ever open their eyes to his true character until the day they die. It, literally, is the most important thing in their lives. I've said all along that PSU is fucked until large numbers of the cult begin to die off.
 
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Woody1968 said:
I cannot see this kind of thing happening to this extent anywhere else in the realm of college sports. Obviously there are pedophiles everywhere, but only at State Penn, could a cover-up of this nature be taken to protect the reputation of the program and the coach.
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To protect a single coach? No. But for the reputation of the school? Notre Dame, BYU & Texas A&M all come to mind as places where I have no doubt it could happen.

It wouldn't surprise me if a number of SEC schools would bury it as well. North Carolina, Miami & Oregon are also likely suspects.
 
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Muck said:
To protect a single coach? No. But for the reputation of the school? Notre Dame, BYU & Texas A&M all come to mind as places where I have no doubt it could happen.

It wouldn't surprise me if a number of SEC schools would bury it as well. North Carolina, Miami & Oregon are also likely suspects.
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Absolutely.

ND, in terms of their broader organization, has a track record of serial child rape and cover up that make Sandusky look like an amateur. On top of that they just had the head coach kill a kid through an act of criminal negligence with ZERO consequences .....oddly enough its the first HC that's had their football program anywhere near "good" in about 25 years. We won't even get into what happened to the poor girl who cried rape at the hands of ND football.

The AD, University Pres and top priest would all help hold a kid still (if they haven't already....looking at you priest) if it could help ND football. Zero doubt in my mind.

The southern schools wouldn't enable a pedo. They'd kill the fucker. They'll cheat at recruiting, over signing and keeping athletes eligible like it's their job but I'd be shocked to hear anything like this down there.


Oregon and Miami...who knows
 
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Muck said:
To protect a single coach? No. But for the reputation of the school? Notre Dame, BYU & Texas A&M all come to mind as places where I have no doubt it could happen.

It wouldn't surprise me if a number of SEC schools would bury it as well. North Carolina, Miami & Oregon are also likely suspects.
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BYU has its bad apples like anywhere, but it's one of the few places I've been that truly does raise the bar. (I lived in the cheap just-off-campus housing as a non-student one summer, and worked with the school on a regular basis for years.) I think the odds of the first person to discover the abuse stepping up is much higher than elsewhere; the odds of involving more than two without running into someone who will seems extremely unlikely, even given that the football program is a bit further from the school's core than most programs.

The others though, yeah, I'd be less shocked.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Absolutely.

ND, in terms of their broader organization, has a track record of serial child rape and cover up that make Sandusky look like an amateur. On top of that they just had the head coach kill a kid through an act of criminal negligence with ZERO consequences .....oddly enough its the first HC that's had their football program anywhere near "good" in about 25 years. We won't even get into what happened to the poor girl who cried rape at the hands of ND football.

The AD, University Pres and top priest would all help hold a kid still (if they haven't already....looking at you priest) if it could help ND football. Zero doubt in my mind.

The southern schools wouldn't enable a pedo. They'd kill the fucker. They'll cheat at recruiting, over signing and keeping athletes eligible like it's their job but I'd be shocked to hear anything like this down there.


Oregon and Miami...who knows
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The fact we're even able to imagine such things happening at other schools is a sad sign of what college sports have been for a long time.

That said though, Ped State is the only one caught so far with a cover-up of a pedophile.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
That's the core belief that Paterno instilled in the cult: you just don't root for a better football team than the other guy; you are a morally superior human being to the other guy because you root for my football team.

And it's the desperate need to feel superior through their relationship to Joesus and all the myths he built up around himself which is why they will never, ever open their eyes to his true character until the day they die. It, literally, is the most important thing in their lives. I've said all along that PSU is fucked until large numbers of the cult begin to die off.
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I don't disagree with you on the bolded part, but it goes far deeper than that. For whatever reason, people who live in the mountains of central Pennsylvania feel like they are superior to everyone simply because of where they live and their experiences in the area. It's baffling.
 
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Deety said:
BYU has its bad apples like anywhere, but it's one of the few places I've been that truly does raise the bar. (I lived in the cheap just-off-campus housing as a non-student one summer, and worked with the school on a regular basis for years.) I think the odds of the first person to discover the abuse stepping up is much higher than elsewhere; the odds of involving more than two without running into someone who will seems extremely unlikely, even given that the football program is a bit further from the school's core than most programs.
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That's great & all but the lawsuits are just starting to break for the LDS church, not just sexual but physical & emotional abuse at places like the Utah's Boys Ranch. The Utah courts can't bury those filed outside the state.
 
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Muck said:
That's great & all but the lawsuits are just starting to break for the LDS church, not just sexual but physical & emotional abuse at places like the Utah's Boys Ranch. The Utah courts can't bury those filed outside the state.
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Ugh. Haven't heard of that; I'll look it up.

Still, I've been in Provo and I've been in State College, and there is just no comparison in the quality of people you find. In fact, the Olympic scandal had just come to light, primarily because due to the church members who discovered it and were determined to clean it up. I've lived in a pretty good sampling of the US and never found better people. But I suppose evil shows up anywhere there are humans; part of the package, though I will never understand people who can do those sorts of things. It's the reaction once things turn up that define a community.
 
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I think the more repressive the environment the more a persons inner demons fights to come out and play. But, a good "culture" can make a big difference. There is basically, a good "culture" in Utah. Repressive but basically good.
What about the "culture" in central Pennsylvania? Two people I have respect for who went to Penn State refuse to acknowledge what happened. One of the two made a complete ass of himself over Sandusky. I don't know how to square that. I guess it's just denial that he is a monster.
 
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gmen6981 said:
Saw the following in a thread on BWI about the Tracy Sprinkle situation. Post PSU_Nut is responding to "9fold" (one of the real whack jobs over there). I assume the cult will sending their crack investigative team to try to find this guy now.

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Wow! That "cleaning the stadium "is really harsh punishment! If the football players had been held to the standard of regular students a lot of them would have been sent home.
 
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Taosman said:
Wow! That "cleaning the stadium "is really harsh punishment! If the football players had been held to the standard of regular students a lot of them would have been sent home.
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Of course the great irony was that the only person sent home was the VP for student affairs who dared to propose that football players be subject to the same disciplinary system as all other students.

And Joesus entered the temple of student affairs and with righteous fury overturned the tables of the grand experiment changers declaring that only I shall be the power, the glory and the assigner of punishment.

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