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I think he has a lot of natural talent, but anyone who would choose to go to PSU, especially under the circumstances, is a borderline tard in my book. He's also always going to be limited by having a lack of depth on the line.
 
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Woody1968 said:
I think he has a lot of natural talent, but anyone who would choose to go to PSU, especially under the circumstances, is a borderline tard in my book. He's also always going to be limited by having a lack of depth on the line.
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Lack of depth on the line, no skill players on offense, no bowl game, no coach. It's not like any of this wasn't told to him a thousand times over, either. Why on Earth he stuck to his commitment is well beyond my scope of understanding.
 
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Just curious, if you were him and PSU was OSU, would you still sign up to play QB at OSU? I'd certainly think about it.
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If I were 21 years younger, going into my senior year of high school, and I had enough talent and ability to be recruited by FBS teams, including Ohio State, and Ohio State was going to be in Year 2 of a 4-year penalty equal to Penn State's (regardless of the reason) I would seriously consider going to Ohio State. I don't fault Hackenberg or anyone else for going to Penn State. I don't hear the players complaining about anything. Maybe I don't have my ears open, though. If he were complaining about it not being fair that they can't go to a bowl game, or that they need more depth at many positions, then I'd laugh at him and tell him he should have picked a different team.

I'm also going to laugh at anyone who says that he's clearly the best quarterback in the country at this point. He may end up throwing for 60 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 7,000 yards, and running for another 1,500 and 15 touchdowns. On 7/3/14 (or 6/25/14) he is not clearly the best QB in the country.

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I think that question is a little misleading. Of course everybody on this site would choose Ohio State 100 times out of 100. I don't think Hackenberg grew up a diehard penn state fan. I don't know that he didn't either...but that seems like it would have popped up when there was that small doubt of if he was going to stick to his commitment.
 
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Let me just go back and point out that tOSU and State Penn are not comparable. We love our Buckeye football, but State Penn is a straight up cult. I cannot see this kind of thing happening to this extent anywhere else in the realm of college sports. Obviously there are pedophiles everywhere, but only at State Penn, could a cover-up of this nature be taken to protect the reputation of the program and the coach.
 
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Taosman said:
https://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1655595

Penn State. Examination of roster and youth on roster.
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"With just 19 combined scholarship juniors and seniors healthy and available for the upcoming season, Penn State's roster will act as a true test of how overall team youth - or, conversely, the lack of overall team experience - can affect a team." For example it could mean getting blown out by Ohio State AND Indiana.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Let me just go back and point out that tOSU and State Penn are not comparable. We love our Buckeye football, but State Penn is a straight up cult. I cannot see this kind of thing happening to this extent anywhere else in the realm of college sports. Obviously there are pedophiles everywhere, but only at State Penn, could a cover-up of this nature be taken to protect the reputation of the program and the coach.
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Will we ever know what has gone on with Jameius? What about rape charges at Michigan and Notre Dame? How about housing and God knows what else at USC, and how many criminal proceedings were settled out of court and out of sight at Ohio State? When hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake all programs are susceptible to cover ups and denial.

The Penn State case is so egregious because it involves children, a coach/pedophile and an enabling set of superiors - don't know how the actual PSU chain of command was charted then, so let's use the standard - from head coach to AD, to security VP, to President.

If the same set of circumstances hit Ohio State I can't say that I wouldn't be in a state of denial for a period of time. Without excusing the collective stupidity on BWI, I can understand their initial shock because the reality is at such a level of unbelievably disgusting.
 
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From Thomas Paine (a humanist/American hero) to Christopher Hitchens (link)Reply

Unlike this boards proprietor, Mr. Thomas McAndrew, I do think, quite strongly, I may add, that Thomas Paine ought to be on our currency, at the very minimum. Although, I am against any American being placed on a coin or currency, because, quite simply, they opposed it. But, if we do, then tell the WHOLE story about our forefathers and why they thought the way they did. Place Thomas Paine on currency, then. That's education - present the WHOLE picture.

Whether Thomas Paine was or was not the founding father of modern Humanism is debatable, at the very least. Regardless, the discussions that were begun with Filippo Bruno (aka, Giordano Bruno) that, in no small part, helped the Renaissance lead to the "Age of Enlightenment" and hence, our very own Revolution and to the creation of the greatest nation the world had ever seen gave birth to such American men as Thomas Paine.

Benjamin Franklin said, "
"I have read your manuscript [Age of Reason] with some attention. By the argument it contains against a particular Providence, though you allow a general Providence, you strike at the foundation of all religion. For without the belief of a Providence that takes cognizance of, guards, and guides, and may favor particular persons, there is no motive to worship a Deity, to fear his displeasure, or to pray for his protection. I will not enter into any discussion of your principles though you seem to desire it. At present I shall only give you my opinion that … the consequence of printing this piece will be a great deal of odium [hate] drawn upon yourself, mischief to you, and no benefit to others. He that spits into the wind, spits in his own face. But were you to succeed, do you imagine any good would be done by it? … Think how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue. … I would advise you, therefore, not to attempt unchaining the tiger, but to burn this piece before it is seen by any other person. … If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it? I intend this letter itself as a proof of my friendship."

Yes, Mr Franklin, when I now view our history since the Revolution to the ISIS in Iraq, I can say, unequivocally, that Thomas Paine was right and you, like many men of stature with good intentions, were wrong. One can only look at our own treatment of Native-Americans to the continued slave trade in our own country to Nazi Germany to Hamas to ISIS and know that this virus, as Richard Dawkins calls it, must be eradicated. And, only through discussion, only through education, only by bringing this to the forefront of humankind - and yes, the LCD of humankind - will it be...eradicated!

Here, now today, we have a generation of men, soon to leave this planet (e.g., Richard Dawkins), carrying proudly the torch of light, the torch of truth, the torch of knowledge, men, also, like Christopher Hitchens.

I, though, am a Humanist, not an atheist. I am, also, a closet Pantheist. I secretly long that Pantheism is true. But, regardless of my "feelings", I have no evidence to support Pantheism. I do, though, have proof, that Humanism works. That is, the ability to have just laws that govern humankind without the so called morals of a deity. One such document is the Constitution of the United States. In fact, my employer, the hospital I work at in Jacksonville, has its own laws of conduct and, upon close review, they too are based on the principles of Humanism and not a deity. So, it works.

What kind of American am I to only celebrate thinkers like Jefferson or Madison? When they, too, were influenced by men from Girodano Bruno to Thomas Paine.

Not to bring their thoughts to light is to paint only a partial picture. Here, I think of one of our own, here, Lion_Backers sig pic: "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

So, Thomas McAndrew, the learned historian you are, America ought to bring men such as Thomas Paine to the forefront of discussion. Just because you, or others, may not agree with many of his writings, who says that people like yourself should make any decision on what should or shouldn't be taught? Lest people like you see yourself of more importance than others? Is it any wonder I see a growing (almost militant-like) atheist subculture?

Happy Independence Day, Thomas McAndrew. I will drink to Thomas Paine this weekend. And, to those who gave their lives so that I can be here today.

Humanism now; humanism forever! It is, like Christopher Hitchens quipped. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Hitchens' Razor


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A "what did Joe mean to me" thread is always good for pure, unadulterated cult craziness.
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Leading up to the 1979 Sugar Bowl v Alabama for the Nat'l Championship Joe Commented on Mike Guman. He said that "Mike had the knack for finding the crack". Well we all laughed our A$$e$ of because that phrase had a completely different connotation for us then.

Later, after the game in Michigan where we got hosed and Joe ran that ref down and stuck his finger in the ref's face Joe took a lot of heat from the media for that. I called into the Thursday evening call in show and I thanked Joe for doing what we all wanted to do, that I didn't care how many bad calls we would be getting. All Joe said was "well somebody had to stick up for the kids".

All that really happened is that Joe Paterno got replay into college football. Every football player since then now should thank Joe for helping to ensure the games word be fair. That is a rather important change and improvement on the college game, as was his "Grand Experiment". Joe Paterno was torn down by morally bankrupt people at his weakest moment. They will not succeed.
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