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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Deety said:
Ugh. Haven't heard of that; I'll look it up.

Still, I've been in Provo and I've been in State College, and there is just no comparison in the quality of people you find. In fact, the Olympic scandal had just come to light, primarily because due to the church members who discovered it and were determined to clean it up. I've lived in a pretty good sampling of the US and never found better people.
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Never forget for one moment that behind the Jell-O salad & Stepford facade those same people are stockpiling supplies for the day when they have to wage war against the US government.
 
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Bucklion said:
https://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=173458376&mid=173458376&sid=890&style=2

Your brilliance of the day comes from this thread. They are trashing another article by some dude, no surprise, but then 4 posts in, the guy says of the author, Joe LaPointe "he is a female Christine Brennan". Uh.....WUT? :slappy: :slappy: :slappy:
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This is the first I've read of anybody over there actually putting to words how they think Paterno was justified in not doing a damn thing. Usually they hide behind phrases like "well if you don't know then you're not worth my time explaining it". Anyway....here is at least one persons rationalization for Joesus looking the other way:
if your truth is that Joe Paterno fully understood a child was sexually abused and he did not report it to the police, you stop with those 2 words and that is the defense of your reality.

and I cannot count the number of dimwits who do this.

but if you understand the full reality is that those 2 words were couched in between 2 statements of uncertainty, that his comments were transcribed from GJ testimony and cannot possible capture tone or inflection, that the context in which they were spoken offered no opportunity for clarification (you know, except when Paterno said if he knew a child had been sexually abused he WOULD have marched McQueary to the police)

the problem is people conflate opinion with reality. and often leave out any bits of information which confound that opinion. and steadfastly refuse to change their opinions when presented with new information.
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
the problem is people conflate opinion with reality. and often leave out any bits of information which confound that opinion. and steadfastly refuse to change their opinions when presented with new information.
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I've heard that a lot of times people get a mirror for their parakeet, if they own only one, because the bird isn't smart enough to know it isn't another bird. He thinks he's talking to another parakeet. I don't know if it really works that way, or someone is having fun at my expense, or if it's a general misconception, or what the case really is. But that seems to be how the cult is. So often, we can take what they say and simply change the person talking and to whom he is talking, and it becomes a good lecture to the cult.
 
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but if you understand the full reality is that those 2 words were couched in between 2 statements of uncertainty

when Paterno said if he knew a child had been sexually abused he WOULD have marched McQueary to the police
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I ask with complete seriousness: what is the exact phrase that includes the two words couched between two statements of uncertainty? and when did Paterno say if he had known a child was sexually abused he would have marched McQueary (and not Sandusky?) to the police?

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that his comments were transcribed from GJ testimony and cannot possible capture tone or inflection, that the context in which they were spoken offered no opportunity for clarification
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I can't remember what I talked with my wife about this morning, but a recollection of a conversation from many years ago is the verbatim gospel truth when it comes to couching "child molestation" between phrases of uncertainty, but not when it comes to tone and inflection, because McQueary totally could have been joking around with Paterno about it (and I'm not exactly sure who GJ is and what his connection to the McQueary/Paterno conversation is).
 
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Buckeye86 said:
I ask with complete seriousness: what is the exact phrase that includes the two words couched between two statements of uncertainty? and when did Paterno say if he had known a child was sexually abused he would have marched McQueary (and not Sandusky?) to the police?

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I can't remember what I talked with my wife about this morning, but a recollection of a conversation from many years ago is the verbatim gospel truth when it comes to couching "child molestation" between phrases of uncertainty, but not when it comes to tone and inflection, because McQueary totally could have been joking around with Paterno about it (and I'm not exactly sure who GJ is and what his connection to the McQueary/Paterno conversation is).
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I assume GJ is grand jury
 
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Bucklion said:
I assume GJ is grand jury
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Ah, I was confused thanks to their habit of referring to everyone (and apparently other things as well) with abbreviations.

They also like to talk about the truth and evidents! but they never seem to come up with exact quotes or links to anything.

That's why I'm seeking clarification on the things they are referring to other than it's the TRUTH and everyone knows about it and if you question it you are just another sheeple who has fallen for the giant conspiracy.

[cultist]You know that one time that one person said this thing, everyone knows which one I'm talking about, and that time Joe Paterno did that thing, everyone knows which time I'm talking about, no need to provide any actual proof that these things happen, or that thing in the Freeh report that was an abomination to life, liberty, and the American way, no need to point out exactly where in the report that was, we all know it was there![/cultist]
 
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That's why I was shocked to see at least that much. Deep down they know there is no explaining away why Paterno didn't act.....so they never actually face it. This is the closest I've seen somebody try to explain why they think it is normal behavior to be told your former DC is molesting children in your facilities and then just never follow up on it. If I were able to ask that guy the questions you were asking, I'm pretty certain some hemming and hawing would take place, but no specifics would come from it.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
This is the first I've read of anybody over there actually putting to words how they think Paterno was justified in not doing a damn thing. Usually they hide behind phrases like "well if you don't know then you're not worth my time explaining it". Anyway....here is at least one persons rationalization for Joesus looking the other way:
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They have invented this reality where Paterno says things for which there is no actual quote to back it up. Paterno never said if he knew a child had been sexually abused he WOULD have marched McQueary to the police. Don't bother Googling it. You'll not find it in the GJ presentment. It's a myth that was created because they cannot face the reality that their moral mentor was a deeply flawed, deceitful, weak human being who only gave the appearance that he gave a shit about people that didn't play football for Ped State. These sick cult bastards ignore the real quotes, emails and JoePed's own sworn testimony because there is no way to rationalize that. Any sane person will come to the same conclusion that Freeh reached - the most powerful men at Penn State stood by and did nothing to stop a known serial pedophile.

The grand experiment, the moralizing, supposed grad rate success was all to build an image of superiority. A few years before he was fired, he suffered an injury when a player rolled up on his leg and broke it. His inner circle was so intent on making sure the media did not photograph him appearing feeble or weak all so that he could continue to coach as long as he wanted. Scott and Jay successfully petitioned the the university to bar all media from filming JoePed at practices in his golf cart or being assisted around by the staff. Then they hired a media consulting company to film a few practices where Paterno is running around with players, enforcing discipline at practice and generally appearing more involved in coaching than he had in years to give the public the perception that he should be entitled to coach forever. The whole thing was very staged for one purpose and the administration went right along with it. But there was no culture problem right?
 
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Delaware Buck said:
They have invented this reality where Paterno says things for which there is no actual quote to back it up. Paterno never said if he knew a child had been sexually abused he WOULD have marched McQueary to the police. Don't bother Googling it. You'll not find it in the GJ presentment. It's a myth that was created because they cannot face the reality that their moral mentor was a deeply flawed, deceitful, weak human being who only gave the appearance that he gave a [Mark May] about people that didn't play football for Ped State. These sick cult bastards ignore the real quotes, emails and JoePed's own sworn testimony because there is no way to rationalize that. Any sane person will come to the same conclusion that Freeh reached - the most powerful men at Penn State stood by and did nothing to stop a known serial pedophile.

The grand experiment, the moralizing, supposed grad rate success was all to build an image of superiority. A few years before he was fired, he suffered an injury when a player rolled up on his leg and broke it. His inner circle was so intent on making sure the media did not photograph him appearing feeble or weak all so that he could continue to coach as long as he wanted. Scott and Jay successfully petitioned the the university to bar all media from filming JoePed at practices in his golf cart or being assisted around by the staff. Then they hired a media consulting company to film a few practices where Paterno is running around with players, enforcing discipline at practice and generally appearing more involved in coaching than he had in years to give the public the perception that he should be entitled to coach forever. The whole thing was very staged for one purpose and the administration went right along with it. But there was no culture problem right?
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Joseph Stalin would be proud!
 
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Delaware Buck said:
The grand experiment, the moralizing, supposed grad rate success was all to build an image of superiority. A few years before he was fired, he suffered an injury when a player rolled up on his leg and broke it. His inner circle was so intent on making sure the media did not photograph him appearing feeble or weak all so that he could continue to coach as long as he wanted. Scott and Jay successfully petitioned the the university to bar all media from filming JoePed at practices in his golf cart or being assisted around by the staff. Then they hired a media consulting company to film a few practices where Paterno is running around with players, enforcing discipline at practice and generally appearing more involved in coaching than he had in years to give the public the perception that he should be entitled to coach forever. The whole thing was very staged for one purpose and the administration went right along with it. But there was no culture problem right?
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So Joesus was Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a previous life and led us out of the Depression and through WWII, before settling in Happy Valley and inventing football and college? Wow, I had no idea.
 
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cincibuck said:
So Joesus was Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a previous life and led us out of the Depression and through WWII, before settling in Happy Valley and inventing football and college? Wow, I had no idea.
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And if he had lived another month or so, he probably would have rid us of killer bees, corrosion, drunk drivers, and telemarketers.
 
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Delaware Buck said:
Paterno never said if he knew a child had been sexually abused he WOULD have marched McQueary to the police.
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Actually, if I remember the Freeh report correctly, one of the Curley/Spanier/Schultz trio actually did say something very similar to this in their Grand Jury testimony. Of course, the Cultists have vilified those three and are crediting this to Joesus.......
 
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