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I don't remember it being JoePed instructing them not to via email, but one of those stooges did decide that not going to the cops was "the humane thing to do"
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Was Joe in on it? The testimony, from more than one source, on more than one occasion, is already there: Joe was made aware. Joe was aware. The entire chain-of-command, from janitor, to assistant coach, to campus police, to AD, to VP for security, to University President, to head football coach, were aware.
In fact, Joe was so aware that he removed his Defensive Coordinator and man deemed to be his successor from his staff in 1999 - but allowed him to keep his "emeritus status" and keys to the Flasch facility- and then ordered him to stop using university facilities a few years after that.
The circumstantial evidence created by those two acts leads to a conclusion that Joe knew, the university knew, the state government knew and yet no one took the steps necessary to stop it and prevent others from being abused. No one.
All of them failed to adequately investigate, to inform up and down the chain, to make recommendations - except, have a good weekend, and let's keep this under wraps and we should consider keeping Jerry from using our facilities. No one in the chain, including Joe, acted in a conscionable manner to make sure the abuse was stopped, investigated, reported and any one thought to be guilty prosecuted. No one.
I don't know what the legal ramifications are for a public university, but I do know that if this had been a public high school every person in that chain-of-command who was told what was going on, or even told what was suspected of going on, and failed to act could/would have been found negligent. Their certificate to teach or administrate would have been revoked and they would have found themselves open to possible prosecution. In fact it is only when high school administrators become aware that one of their students has been abused by Sandusky that any effective action is taken.
Here's a timeline that few on the BW site want to acknowledge:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html
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Deety
Head Coach
And the kid who was being raped when McQueary caught Sandusky? Far from helping him during and after the fact as any decent human being would have done, they specifically asked that Sandusky NOT give the child's name when it was offered. At that point, they're fully committed to the cover-up. Can you imagine the line of thought that was behind that request?
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Joe didn't use e-mail. But Freeh found an e-mail from one of the other three to Spanier essentially saying that "after talking to coach I don't think we should go to the authorities," pretty clearly outlining that they were ready to go to the police and/or children's services and that Dear Leader talked them out of it. The cult has never been able to deal with that, so the common belief on BWI (after some hilarious speculation on "which coach" the e-mail referenced) is that Freeh faked the e-mail to bring down Dear Leader.
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I am almost positive that the last I read on this topic they had hammered the narrative into that "Joe" being the basketball coach (at the time).
Seriously.
I believe that is known in rhetorical circles as the Will-don't-call-me-Willy-Liles defense.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Yep. That's it. The e-mail said "after speaking with coach." It couldn't have even been the head coach (Jerry Dunn at the time). The President, VP of Finance and AD were apparently taking their cues on an issue of immense importance from an assistant basketball coach.
And I love how that evil old man would only deal with the issue in a series of one-on-one private conversations. No e-mail or written notes. No formal on-the-record group meetings. He was like some clever old mob boss. I wonder if he made them talk into their hands like Joe Pesci in Casino? Probably why he didn't wear headphones those last two seasons sitting in the press box. He was worried that the feds might have a tap on them.
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I don't know why BWI hasn't done an exhaustive look in to the alibi of one Mr. Craig T. Nelson.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
Even their language in communications was so guarded, so suspicious that it's obvious to anyone with a single brain cell that they were concerned about the fallout. It's like mobsters talking over the phone and thinking the FBI were tapping their phones.
Morally bankrupt. Like a corporation thinking only of the bottom line and the hell with the human damage being done.
Morally bankrupt. Like a corporation thinking only of the bottom line and the hell with the human damage being done.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=171211764&mid=171211764&sid=890&style=2
They reference an ESPN article (link below) that discusses that student attendance at football games is declining.
But I had to laugh at this guy's comment:
Are you sure you want to complain about the quality of your opponents? Your team is supposed to be helping the conference strength. They aren't supposed to lose 63-14 to the conference's strength.
ESPN article, in case you care: http://espn.go.com/college-football...-concern-students-show-college-football-games
They reference an ESPN article (link below) that discusses that student attendance at football games is declining.
But I had to laugh at this guy's comment:
Are you sure you want to complain about the quality of your opponents? Your team is supposed to be helping the conference strength. They aren't supposed to lose 63-14 to the conference's strength.
ESPN article, in case you care: http://espn.go.com/college-football...-concern-students-show-college-football-games
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buxfan4life
The future's so bright, I've gotta wear... shades.
The pedsters have their new "academic leader". Just so happens this guy might have some experience with University scandels:
http://news.yahoo.com/penn-state-names-fsu-39-barron-president-174200178.html
http://news.yahoo.com/penn-state-names-fsu-39-barron-president-174200178.html
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From that thread:
"Discovery is coming, it will not be stopped, and it likely will not be pretty. It's too late to lecture people about moving on."
See this is what I don't get (check that, one thing I don't get)...27 is right last page, they are likely not going to find anything on Joe, one way or the other. But that doesn't mean "Discovery is coming" of exoneration, it means nothing is going to be found. What the hell do these people think is going to happen? I mean, no matter how ridiculous it might be, I can usually at least interpret what I think people are expecting...but I can't here. The only thing that could "restore" anything is if they find out that every single victim made the whole thing up entirely and that Sandusky was COMPLETELY innocent. Short of that, nothing, NOTHING, will restore the legacy of Paterno in the eyes of the nation. Nothing.
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