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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Paterno and PSU were guilty of some of the more egregious NCAA violations since SMU back in the early '80s. Paterno worked with absolutely no oversight and was forced to answer to exactly no one. They allowed the football program to run roughshod over the rest of the athletic department and university as a whole. Football players were exempted from University disciplinary actions. Instead, they were subject to Paterno's in-house system.

This is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control and should have been punished more harshly. For the NCAA to cave in now is spineless and absolutely pathetic, in my opinion.
 
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OSUK said:
I hear you. I guess I would say that I am taking a wider view, based on general principles, and you are taking a more narrow view.

In response to your specific question, if there is lack of "institutional" control then punish those within the INSTITUTION that did not control. In this case Sandusky, Paterno, Curly and Schultz have been held accountable. What sense does it make to levy sanctions against football players and a coaching staff who did not aid Sandusky or assist in a cover up?

IOW, I don't think any football players who are not directly involved with a scandal should be punished because of what their coach, another player, or some other program/administrator did or did not do. The NCAA should punish those who do wrong, not those who are associated with those who did wrong. It's not that hard of a concept. Just because the NCAA has screwed OSU in that way, does not mean that I can support them doing to others.
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Actually I think you are taking the narrow view. They won football games as a result of attracting players to a belief that PSU was the most moral program playing major college football. They collectively hid the truth from potential recruits and signed players that could have made an impact at other schools. Their legendary football coach was running the university by proxy. People he supposedly reported to deferred back to him when it came to what to do with a known pedophile. They did that as to not rock the boat and to win football games.

There are two former assistants that were retained because they were good recruiters. Given how long each was on the prior staff and the fact that at least one former coach perjured himself at the JS trial, it's reasonable to conclude that both Vanderlinden and Johnson knew about JS being a pedophile.
 
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Sophistry or not, the concept that an enforcement body can punish a perpetrator and no "innocents" will also affected is unbelievably naive.

Fact is the football program and university HAD to be punished for what they allowed to happen and what they did. I'm sorry kids who just wanted to go to school and play football are affected ... it's not "fair" to them on a general level. So what?

And.. as has been said repeatedly, everyone was given the chance to leave (and without having to sit a year) and those that sign on now know damn well what they're getting into.
 
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Look, I think we can all truly agree that there was only one true "innocent" damaged by all of this.

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OSUK said:
IOW, I don't think any football players who are not directly involved with a scandal should be punished because of what their coach, another player, or some other program/administrator did or did not do. The NCAA should punish those who do wrong, not those who are associated with those who did wrong. It's not that hard of a concept. Just because the NCAA has screwed OSU in that way, does not mean that I can support them doing to others.
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OSUK said:
That is pure sophistry.
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Bullshit, it's a very applicable analogy. Penn State's football program is what enabled Sandusky's decades-long hunt for young boys, and it is what needs to be punished. There is no better way to punish a football program than to reduce its scholarship cap, put it on probation, and/or temporarily or permanently shut it down.
 
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I wonder how much former Senator George Mitchell is getting paid to sell the Big Ten and NCAA about lessening Ped State sanctions? This stinks but was expected. Ped State has lots of money.
The ruling head of Ped State made a decision that the football program was more important than stopping a pedophile. Is there a law against being morally bankrupt? Maybe not but there are rules preventing lying to a grand jury. Laws that will send the three to prison for a while. That's the best we can hope for. The football program will come back. No stopping that now. The lives of those effected will have to seek redress from the institutions involved.
 
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