Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[gost8]

Since 2003 we have played, or will play, home/away series with the following:

Washington (split 2003/2007)
Texas
USC
Miami, Fl
Cal
VaTech
Oklahoma
Oregon
Tennessee

We had also scheduled Georgia but that fell through.

Miami was world-class when we scheduled them but were mediocre when we played them. VaTech was consistently solid and occasionally great when we scheduled them but they barely made a bowl game this year and who knows how they'll be when we play them in a few years. Oregon is the chic team right now but with Kelly no longer then head coach they could be absolute shit a decade from now when we play them.

I think we've done more than enough in scheduling solid OOC opponents on an annual basis.

I agree Mili... we have tried to schedule good opponents... for the most part I would say other than Texas a few years back and USC we haven't had much luck with teams being very good when we actually play them. My point is just that other than tOSU and hopefully Michigan... (I am still not convinced they will be really good next year) the B1G is really bad right now. Us going undefeated the way the conference is right now is really not that impressive. Almost (not quite to that level) as bad as when everyone piled on Boise St and TCU for going thru their conference schedule undefeated. What team in the 2012 season are we really proud that we beat them? What team in the 2013 season do you think we need to be worried about? 2014? 2015? If we lose a game before the bowls and/or playoffs in any of those seasons it won't be because we weren't the better team on the field by a mile.

 

[gost8]

I have to respectfully disagree. At least, since 2000 or so. Other than the occasional year of being near the top of the national rankings (2005, 2008), I get the feeling they're no better than Iowa or Wisconsin. They always found a way to lose 2 or more conference games, and finish 9-3 or so.

Since joining the Big Ten, they've won 171 (counting the vacated wins). That's over 20 years, which makes about 8.5 wins a season. Compare that with Ohio State over the same span (200 wins, 10.0 per season).

Maybe they SHOULD be a dominant team in the conference. But I don't think they ever were, consistently.

That's why I said "have an opportunity" to become dominant.

edit: Actually I said a dominate team... which is poor grammar.

 

[buxfan4life]

Penn State can go fuck themselves.

The B1G does not need them with the current conference realignment going on. The pedsters never wanted to be in the B1G to begin with, and the only reason they are is that Zombie couldn't get anyone else to buy into the Penn State Athletic Conference, where Zombie was going to run the show and hire all the refs and guarantee at least 9-10 wins a year to further his "legend in his own mind" status. Why do you think that he always blamed the refs when he lost a conference game? It is because he was used to hiring his own refs (Penn State players' parents and such) and skewing outcomes that when his teams lost B1G conference games, it just HAD to be the reffing since his teams (in his own mind) were NC all the way and therefore could never lose to these B1G opponents the way they were.

Fuck them.

Let them hightail it to the Big East or the ACC, we can backfill with a number of schools that would fit the B1G model better than those hicks in the middle of pennylshitolia who think they are East Coast big city dwellers.

Let the cult go die n a dying conference.

 

[gost8]

Meh... in the end I think tOSU would be better served have more than 2 teams vying for the conference championship on a consistent basis. Others think we are fine with Penn State, Nebraska and Wisky being average at best and scheduling games 5 years out and crossing our fingers they don't suck when they get here. I would like to have a 10 year NC run so the SEC will STFU. Never gonna happen unless we have 4 teams or so that can possibly do it.

 

[jlb1705]

2003
8-6

2004
10-2

2005
8-4

2006
10-3

2007
7-6

2008
9-4

2009
8-5

2010
5-7

 

[cincibuck]

Did you even watch the game this year? Or did you just read the box score? That game should've been a three-TD win (and if you don't believe me, saunter on over to mgoblog where they admitted as much). To imply the Buckeyes did anything but dominate that game (especially in the second half) takes reading the box score and lazily arriving at conclusions to a whole new level.

I've watched the game at least three times. The Bucks win by 5 each time. Did they leave points on the field? Yes. Did they miss a field goal? Yes. Did their defense stop Michigan in the 2nd half? Yes.

I wasn't especially alarmed that Ohio State might lose the game, but I was certainly aware that they were only one lucky play away from being down 2, like the way the game went from being tied to Michigan suddenly up 7 with less than 2 minutes left in the first half. That fact, and the final score, would not have been missed by BCS voters in assessing which two teams got in the big show.

In the meantime the fact remains that there was no chance that Michigan was going to "get lucky" after the first quarter against Alabama.

And if the Michigan game came down to who would get the slots for the BCS I have little doubt that it would have been Notre Dame and Alabama, in no small part measured by a perception-justified or not- that those two teams had played better teams than Ohio State played.

There are folks on this site who strongly believe that all Ohio State has to do is take care of business in the Big 10. There was a time when that was certainly applicable, but that ship has sailed.

Right now, unless Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska all get healthier, there is no Georgia/Florida/LSU/South Carolina comparable conference opponent for the Buckeyes to play. It's going to play a part in who gets into the final two games and who they go up against.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The point was made that the B1G doesn't need to be good because we play a tough OOC game every year. Which isn't true... we schedule someone and hope they are good, but it always isn't the case. I would say the next 3 years we will be counting on how good our conference is to be considered worthy from people in the south. Unless VT comes out of the woodwork somehow.

Actually, I agree with you on the whole weak Big Ten hurting Ohio State. Had we been eligible this year, I think there would have been a whole lot of shocked and outraged Ohio State fans when we were left out of the NC game. That being said and in the larger scheme of things, punishing Ped Aggy and burning that evil program to the ground is more important than having a strong Big Ten regardless of any potential problems that causes Ohio State down the road.

One is an issue of football fandom. The other is an issue of basic human decency, justice and moral imperative.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I wasn't especially alarmed that Ohio State might lose the game, but I was certainly aware that they were only one lucky play away from being down 2, like the way the game went from being tied to Michigan suddenly up 7 with less than 2 minutes left in the first half.

Actually, we were up by three (17-14) when DeTard broke that long TD run to put scUM up by four (21-17) with less than a minute left. Basil's 52-yard FG at the end of the half brought us back to within one at 21-20.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Can we all agree that we would like a strong conference overall, with all the teams being worthy opponents except Ped State?

Nope. Fuck other teams and fuck conference superiority. The day I use a strong conference as an excuse as to why we lost 4 games is the day I give somebody permission to shoot me. We aren't Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi St,...

 

[gost8]

Actually, I agree with you on the whole weak Big Ten hurting Ohio State. Had we been eligible this year, I think there would have been a whole lot of shocked and outraged Ohio State fans when we were left out of the NC game. That being said and in the larger scheme of things, punishing Ped Aggy and burning that evil program to the ground is more important than having a strong Big Ten regardless of any potential problems that causes Ohio State down the road.

One is an issue of football fandom. The other is an issue of basic human decency, justice and moral imperative.

Even though everyone associated with what happened is dead, fired, or in prison? Can't agree with that.

 

[gost8]

Nope. Fuck other teams and fuck conference superiority. The day I use a strong conference as an excuse as to why we lost 4 games is the day I give somebody permission to shoot me. We aren't Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi St,...

Not sure anyone is trying to to be any of those teams... Alabama on the other hand...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Not sure anyone is trying to to be any of those teams... Alabama on the other hand...

Is Alabama good because LSU, Florida, and Georgia are also good? No. They're good because they have the best coach in CFB and get the best players in CFB.

 

[tsteele316]

Even though everyone associated with what happened is dead, fired, or in prison? Can't agree with that.

what happened at ped aggy happened because the football culture got so pervasive that they would do anything and everything to maintain it's image, and that of Dear Leader. Nothing but total scorched earth was going to smack any sense into them. they should have gotten more than they did.

 

[gost8]

lol... you win.

 

[gost8]

Is Alabama good because LSU, Florida, and Georgia are also good? No. They're good because they have the best coach in CFB and get the best players in CFB.

Does anyone question Alabama when they win a NC? If tOSU was eligible and somehow made it into the NC game this year and won it... Everyone outside the B1G would have been calling for asterisk again because we played no one all season. The same old "Ohio State would finish 4th or 5th in the SEC" argument.