Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Mike80]

Getting this on BWI this morning

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[colobuck79]

Listened to Jay Paterno on Mike & Mike this morning while driving to work. Just as I was about to throw up Golic started calling bull[Mark May] on the crap he was spewing.

"But we don't REALLY know what Jerry was doing in the shower."

"We don't REALLY know what McCreary said to Joe."

"We don't REALLY know..."

First time I have heard Jay Paterno speak at length. IMO he comes across like a dope. Although, his ability to parse words and circumnavigate the facts to come to self serving conclusions is superb.

 

[Jake]

JoePa was a man in his 30s when he scoped out his future wife, then a teenage co-ed at Penn State. I'm not sure they view child abuse the same as most of us.

If they really wanted to help his legacy they could've used whatever they paid for this self-serving, predetermined "report" to set up a scholarship fund for victims of child abuse.

 

[Zurp]

Getting this on BWI this morning

I got in OK - it's full of "We hate Mike and Mike" and "Mike Golic is a dummy" threads. It's pretty funny.

 

[colobuck79]

I got in OK - it's full of "We hate Mike and Mike" and "Mike Golic is a dummy" threads. It's pretty funny.

Yeah, how dare Golic ask questions that all the non-cult listeners were thinking.

 

[Woody1968]

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=162634592&mid=162634592&sid=890&style=2

Bait set...

 

[tsteele316]

I got in OK - it's full of "We hate Mike and Mike" and "Mike Golic is a dummy" threads. It's pretty funny.

mike golic is an absolute dullard. the pedsters are totally correct about that. the fact that such a simpleton is able to navigate through jay paterno's nonsense and ask the obvious questions that everyone is thinking just shows how full of bullshit this "paterno report" actually is.

 

[gost8]

acg116

"if it were your child" argument is the sign of an emotional,
Reply yet intellectually weak mind. I'm a decent swimmer...if my kid is drowning in the ocean, i'd fight off every lifeguard that was trying to hold me back to try to go after him, even though logically speaking it would be best served to let them do their job. If it was someone else's kid, I'd refrain, and run to a lifeguard who could help the child better than I could.
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But would you wait 24 hrs as to not ruin said lifeguards weekends?

 

[ChuckDee]

And all of those 4 and 5 stars committed by March of 2012 (Issah decommitted and came back). That's almost a year without a new 4 or 5 star.

I expect the quality of recruits to drop off for them this year and beyond.




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[gost8]

I expect the quality of recruits to drop off for them this year and beyond.

I actually hope not. It only hurts the conference. I am certainly not going to come on here and say that I think it is wrong to punish kids in the Ohio State program for things that didn't involve them and then turn around and say that is exactly what should happen at Penn State. The guilty parties at PSU have been punished. As I see it, the B1G has the best shot at changing this SEC dominance once and for all. But not with a weak PSU.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I actually hope not. It only hurts the conference. I am certainly not going to come on here and say that I think it is wrong to punish kids in the Ohio State program for things that didn't involve them and then turn around and say that is exactly what should happen at Penn State. The guilty parties at PSU have been punished. As I see it, the B1G has the best shot at changing this SEC dominance once and for all. But not with a weak PSU.

Given the nature of college football and the fact that the transgressors have usually cycled out of the program by the time punishment is handed down, you have to punish the program (and to a lesser extent the coach) rather than the players. I don't have a problem with the players from Ohio State's 2012 team having to pay the price for went on under JT. That's the nature of the beast. Our program and its leader at the time broke the rules, and our program needed to suffer the consequences.

Besides, the ncaa allowed the ped aggys to transfer without penalty. Anyone who stayed or subsequently chooses to go knows what they're getting into and has no legitimate basis to whine. Fuck Penn State. They showed the worst institutional control over their football program and coach in the history of the ncaa. The SMU slush fund was nothing compared to what Paterno was doing--ordering the university President to cover up pedophilia and exempting the ad from following federal law (Clery Act). They should have been given the death penalty, and I don't care whether that hurts the Big Ten or not.

 

[gost8]

I understand why the current players and coaches have to be punished. But everyone that was part of the cover-up is no longer on the campus. The school itself being slammed monetarily thru fines and no bowl revenue. I was just saying that I hope that the current staff can keep the team relevant. I have no love for Penn State either. I was kind of hoping the B1G would kick them out. Then this wouldn't even be our conferences problem.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I understand why the current players and coaches have to be punished. But everyone that was part of the cover-up is no longer on the campus. The school itself being slammed monetarily thru fines and no bowl revenue. I was just saying that I hope that the current staff can keep the team relevant.

As ORD said--the players can transfer out of the program. If they choose not to and would rather play for a program that can't go to a bowl game, well, that's their decision. For that reason, your statement that the current players "have" to be punished simply isn't true.

But to your main concern, I really think the argument that a down PSU team for the next 5 or so years could impact OSU in a negative, meaningful way is very attenuated.

 

[gost8]

As ORD said--the players can transfer out of the program. If they choose not to and would rather play for a program that can't go to a bowl game, well, that's their decision. For that reason, your statement that the current players "have" to be punished simply isn't true.

But to your main concern, I really think the argument that a down PSU team for the next 5 or so years could impact OSU in a negative, meaningful way is very attenuated.

My post wasn't very well written I guess. What I am trying to say is that I hope that what the former staff did... doesn't effect the current teams ability to stay relevant, and further, doesn't adversely effect the level of players being recruited into the program. (I know that it will at some level.) If it does... it just adds to the argument that tOSU plays in a substandard conference and therefore has a much easier road to a national championship than teams in the SEC.

When I said "have" to be punished I was referring to most teams that find themselves in this predicament and have no option to leave.

 

[tsteele316]

My post wasn't very well written I guess. What I am trying to say is that I hope that what the former staff did... doesn't effect the current teams ability to stay relevant, and further, doesn't adversely effect the level of players being recruited into the program. (I know that it will at some level.) If it does... it just adds to the argument that tOSU plays in a substandard conference and therefore has a much easier road to a national championship than teams in the SEC.

When I said "have" to be punished I was referring to most teams that find themselves in this predicament and have no option to leave.

this is no longer a valid argument for two reasons. first, there is a playoff system forthcoming. secondly, osu does schedule one big OOC game each year. they can drop a nuke on slappy valley and all the cultists can end up like the folks on The Hills Have Eyes for all I care.