Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[ORD_Buckeye]

He is not in and doesn't stand behind his principals until he personally goes into that fire with his stuff.

JoePa doesn't think you love him until you set yourself on fire for him.

 

[Zippercat]

Saw this in a recent ESPN article:



All I have to say is....what? They receive substantial taxpayer cash, but they get to be treated like a private university? Thats some rubbish, and convenient.

The public may not have access, but the NCAA and the victims' attorneys will get the chance to paw through all of the underwear drawers.

 

[Oh8ch]

The public may not have access, but the NCAA and the victims' attorneys will get the chance to paw through all of the underwear drawers.

I would not be surprised if the NCAA did little investigation in addition to the Freeh report. That document is already more thorough than anything they have the resources to accomplish. I also remain convinced that they are on a timeline to resolve any sanctions before September 1st - and that those will be self imposed with concurrence from the NCAA.

The only resolution I can see short of the death penalty would be something along the lines of zero tv for one year, multiple year bowl ban and crippling scholarship limitations. They have already forfeited substantial football revenue.

I wish I could find a post I saw on one of their boards that I think made the point quite well. PSU sanctions must be such that in the future when a group of powerful men are sitting in a room contemplating whether to disclose their own school's scandal - one of them will say; "Remember what they did to Penn State".

 

[Jaxbuck]

PSU sanctions must be such that in the future when a group of powerful men are sitting in a room contemplating whether to disclose their own school's scandal - one of them will say; "Remember what they did to Penn State".

I won't be happy until the youngest man in that group says "What's a Penn State?"

 

[tundra1]

You can't make this [Mark May] up:

In reference to giving up on Penn State if they take down the statue:



Don't burn your stuff when kids are raped - only when they 'dis the coach. Nice principals.

He is not in and doesn't stand behind his principals until he personally goes into that fire with his stuff.

Actually, the original poster is probably accurate as of right now. He does stand behind his principals, defined as "the head or director of a school or, especially in England, a college."

However, he has no principles.

 

[ucfknight]

Is anyone else having trouble with the association of loss of scholarships and/or death penalty to an asst coach committing a felony? How in the world can the NCAA rule on something out of their jurisdiction? Boy, I sure hope that the NCAA cannot show how Sandusky's being a pedophile gave Penn St an advantage on the football field......think about that potential Penn St recruits.

Lack of institutional control, maybe, but again, I cannot quite connect the dots between football operations and an illegal act.

On the FWIW side, taking down JoePa's statue for one bad judgement is probably the equal to firing Woody for his one bad judgement in punching the Clemson player. That has tarnished both coach's reputations and will for future references - their names will be used, but there will be an 'asterisk' when one speaks about them.......

If PEnn St gets the death penalty for Sandusky et al's actions, UMiami should for the reasons of utilizing hookers and boat rides to entice recruits. That is more of the NCAA's jurisdiction, not the other...


:gobucks3::gobucks4:

I'd rather the Board of Education/whoever is in charge of that, go after Penn State for violating the Clery act. I've come around on the death penalty. The pulling of funds would be a better punishment for the crimes committed.

 

[4skers89]

I would not be surprised if the NCAA did little investigation in addition to the Freeh report. That document is already more thorough than anything they have the resources to accomplish. I also remain convinced that they are on a timeline to resolve any sanctions before September 1st - and that those will be self imposed with concurrence from the NCAA.

The only resolution I can see short of the death penalty would be something along the lines of zero tv for one year, multiple year bowl ban and crippling scholarship limitations. They have already forfeited substantial football revenue.

I wish I could find a post I saw on one of their boards that I think made the point quite well. PSU sanctions must be such that in the future when a group of powerful men are sitting in a room contemplating whether to disclose their own school's scandal - one of them will say; "Remember what they did to Penn State".

How about a loss of 10 schollies and a bowl ban for as long as the coverup lasted? If more victims come forward then that's one less scholarship. I don't see a 1 or 2 year death penalty inducing a cultural change. Having a losing program for an extended period should reduce the fanaticism and allow the BOT and administrators to regain control of the school. Oh and yeah it is about punishment too.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Time for a carrot and stick explanation?

 

[Mike80]

How about a loss of 10 schollies and a bowl ban for as long as the coverup lasted? If more victims come forward then that's one less scholarship. I don't see a 1 or 2 year death penalty inducing a cultural change. Having a losing program for an extended period should reduce the fanaticism and allow the BOT and administrators to regain control of the school. Oh and yeah it is about punishment too.

A 1 or 2 year death penalty will start the process of culling the culture out of it.

When the university itself is wiped out by the Clery Act, it won't matter very much.

Time for a carrot and stick explanation?

 

[4skers89]

A 1 or 2 year death penalty will start the process of culling the culture out of it.

When the university itself is wiped out by the Clery Act, it won't matter very much.

I think the Clery act violation will just result in fines. I doubt they'll impose a death penalty on the institution.

A 1 or 2 year football ban for PSU will not have the same effect as for SMU. SMU is a small school and their conference dissentigrated shortly after. The loss of schollies for SMU once they resumed the program was crippling. PSU would probably recover rather quickly. What if PSU is a top 5 or 10 team 5-7 years from now? I'd conclude that a program can get away with all kinds of malfeasance and everything will be fine. The NCAA has every right to impose sanctions for this football scandal. They need to carefully consider the outcome of the sanctions they choose.

 

[Roundabout]

well said.... I keep hearing how USC...

I think the Clery act violation will just result in fines. I doubt they'll impose a death penalty on the institution.

A 1 or 2 year football ban for PSU will not have the same effect as for SMU. SMU is a small school and their conference dissentigrated shortly after. The loss of schollies for SMU once they resumed the program was crippling. PSU would probably recover rather quickly. What if PSU is a top 5 or 10 team 5-7 years from now? I'd conclude that a program can get away with all kinds of malfeasance and everything will be fine. The NCAA has every right to impose sanctions for this football scandal. They need to carefully consider the outcome of the sanctions they choose.

was going to be destroyed by there sanctions.... don't see them falling off that far, a solid program with history can deal with a few less slots for a few years.

Anybody think Buckeye football is going to be sent back to the stoneage by there penaties? As was posted SMU wasn't a long time power... a better example from a big ten standpoint would be what would harsh punishment would do to a school like Northwestern which has really improved over the last 20 years but I feel could slip back very easy.

 

[Buckrock]

The public may not have access, but the NCAA and the victims' attorneys will get the chance to paw through all of the underwear drawers.

The thought of Sue wearing thongs is utterly disgusting. Sorry.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

The thought of Sue wearing thongs is utterly disgusting. Sorry.

Wow...I didn't realize depends had a thong version.

 

[OH10]

I don't know what you do but I do know you can't do nothing. And if you do something, it needs to be of sufficient severity that it's not utterly insulting. For example, I think a one-year bowl ban with scholarship reductions would be insulting to the significance of the scandal.

As Emmert said, this is the worst scandal in collegiate sports history. Treat it like it is so it doesn't happen again.

 

[alexhortdog95]

As Emmert said, this is the worst scandal in collegiate sports history. Treat it like it is so it doesn't happen again.

Here's main problem. We treat the kids as if they were criminals, and all they're doing is being what they are - young kids who need guidance.

The problem isn't with the kids so much, even if you have a bad apple or two in the bunch.

The problem is with all the grown folks around them. Starting with the coaches.

I mean, let's look at this for a second. Here's a list of coaches that have either gotten busted or been looked at for what one would call 'ethical' misconduct or other issues while being the head coach of a major university's football team over the last 5 years at least:

Joe Paterno - Obvious here.

Bobby Bowden - This Dadgum guy got away with more dadgum stuff while there at FSU. They finally found a way to get him out of there.

Rick Newheisel - Take your pick. Gambling, betting pools, etc, etc.

Houston Nutt - Text messages to his mistress. 200 + text messages to his mistress.

Bobby Petrino - Points his finger at Lesticles, then spills his bike and tries to cover up the fact that he was hittin the skins with a gal who he hooked up with money and a job. He did, however, get John L. back into the limelight, so he has done something right in the situation...

Jim Tressell - Hated to see this name on the list. Obvious here what he did, which was so out of character for the guy.

Brian Kelly - Held a practice in high wind in which a kid was killed.

Mike Haywood - Wife Beater

Gene Chisik - Scam Newton. C'mon.....

Pete Carroll - The slickest of em all at this point. Everytime he smiles it sends a shiver up my spine...

Chip Kelly - The whole Willie Lyles incident. Thanking his lucky stars that P&P stopped by in the media (Petrino and Paterno).


Perhaps our institutions of higher learning need to put more stock on character issues and less on the $$$ of college football? And in all of this, who suffers the most? The players, for the most part.

I look at this whole Paterno thing and shake my head. Very few places can try to put themselves into what PSU is going through (the sensible folks at PSU) with perspective. Here's how I do it (with the whole A Time to Kill Matthew McConaughey defense in there):

"Close yer eyes.....you're a fan of the University of Nebraska Lincoln....does your school rank in Top 5 in total wins historically? Check. Has the school won Multiple Natty Champs? Check. Do you have a coach working for the University that had over 200 wins as a HC? Check (Doc Tom).

Do you see it?

How they've been busted for child abuse and sexual misconduct charges."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!