Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[AuTX Buckeye]

this has to be a shaggy beavonian...


http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156261425&mid=156261425&sid=890&style=2

I am surprised that they left the thread stand

even Tejas Tech people are trolling the board.. that is outstanding.

 

[ucfknight]

Which would help explain why they've never had an NCAA violation.

It's hard to violate rules that you don't even acknowledge exist while an old bastard that clearly isn't concerned with reporting things runs your entire community from the University Board of Trustees to local law enforcement for half a century.

If it's not LOIC, wouldn't it be failure to monitor? I now that's a lesser charge, but it's still better then nothing.

 

[buxfan4life]

If it's not LOIC, wouldn't it be failure to monitor? I now that's a lesser charge, but it's still better then nothing.

I still don't see how this is not lack of instutional control when the fucking fooball coach holds all the cards in regards to anybody related to his precious win total and football program. Jim Tressel was rightly fired for covering up the actions of players who sold/traded their own possessions, and the University got hit with sanctions because of his actions. Joe Ped has been, and will be (trust me this ain't the end of it), shown to majorly cover up a for a monster who was literaly destroying young mens' lives in order to maintain good PR for himself and his program. How does this not give a competetive advantage? When the tickle monster was on the coaching staff, Joe knew what he was doing and buried it so it wouldn't hurt the rep of the program, which could have lead to recuits going elsewhere because of bad publicity. The NCAA needs to go in and do a full on colonoscpopy of the program since it is clear that Joe Ped was not on the up and up with them.

 

[AKAK]

If it's not LOIC, wouldn't it be failure to monitor? I now that's a lesser charge, but it's still better then nothing.

Failure to monitor what?

Remember, and I realize they are asking questions the NCAA is the National Collegiate Athletics Association.

Not the the National anti-NAMBLA league... not the Pennsylvania Attorney General... not the FBI.

Yeah, I get it, its a Footbal Scandal, Ergo its an Athletics issue. I still don't see, and yeah the ethics stuff may have some legs, that you could morph into LOIC or FTM.* And they could set a new precedent... but, I personally would prefer that the NCAA govern those things that they are tasked to do... I really don't want to see them decide they are the general moral authority for the member institutions. Continue to promote fair play, sportsmanship, determining eligiblity... I don't want them suspending kids for DUI's and bar fights and all those other things. That leads to this idea that a kid is on your campus, gets raped and we have to call compliance and Emmert? No thank you.

*As to the LOIC, FTM. Unfortunately the picture we are getting is not that there was a lack of control or a failure to monitor. Indeed Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz were all unfortunately on the same page and were well aware of the issues. They did fail to report it... to the police...

 

[jlb1705]

this has to be a shaggy beavonian...


http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156261425&mid=156261425&sid=890&style=2

I am surprised that they left the thread stand

That thread spawned this reply:

LionFan96
Post #543
Doylestown, PA
Re: If Penn State gets the death penalty...How many people were killed at Texas when that shooter went on his rampage? I'll bet in hindsight there were a lot of people associated with Texas who wished they had done more to stop that wacko.

They did do more to stop him, dumbass. They pumped that motherfucker full of lead. They certainly didn't take 14+ years to do it, either. Quoth Wikipedia:

Several feet before reaching the southwest corner, Crum accidentally discharged a shot from his borrowed rifle. At the same time, Martinez jumped around the corner into the northeast area and rapidly fired all six rounds from his .38 police revolver at Whitman. As Martinez was firing, McCoy jumped to the right of him and fired two fatal shots of 00-buckshot with his 12-gauge shotgun into the head, neck, and left side of Whitman, who was sitting with his back toward the north wall in the northwest corner area 50 feet away.

 

[AKAK]

Several feet before reaching the southwest corner, Crum accidentally discharged a shot from his borrowed rifle. At the same time, Martinez jumped around the corner into the northeast area and rapidly fired all six rounds from his .38 police revolver at Whitman. As Martinez was firing, McCoy jumped to the right of him and fired two fatal shots of 00-buckshot with his 12-gauge shotgun into the head, neck, and left side of Whitman, who was sitting with his back toward the north wall in the northwest corner area 50 feet away.

Coulda shot him 3 times in the head with the double aught.

Alas I'm sure it haunts McCoy to this day that he didn't do more.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Yeah... good job PSU you mighta had some sympathy from Tejas fans... then you go and bring up that... pretty stupid maneuver on their part, but it should highlight for them how big the shadow of one bad event can cast.

 

[muffler dragon]

Considering the past and current administrators at PSU, I just don't see anyone that the B1G Presidents can actually have any faith in whether it be for general discussion or otherwise. It has to be close to "well... this is a lost cause", fuck it, and be gone with them.

Who the hell is PSU going to have represent them that isn't a depraved, insulated individual?

 

[osubartender23]

Failure to monitor what?


*As to the LOIC, FTM. Unfortunately the picture we are getting is not that there was a lack of control or a failure to monitor. Indeed Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz were all unfortunately on the same page and were well aware of the issues. They did fail to report it... to the police...

See I disagree. This is clearly lack of institiutional control. The institution as a whole had no control over what the athletic department did, what the football program did or what Joe Paterno did. Granted the failure to report the child molestation to the police isnt what the NCAA should be punishing State Penn for. What they should be punished for is that Joe Paterno ran the entire University, from the top down. There was no one monitoring or controlling him. He was able to do what he wanted, when he wanted. He had the final word on all decisions it seems and he directly influenced the discipline that his players got, which the non football playing student body didnt have the luxury of. To me this is a benefit that could be considered a direct NCAA violation since it was given ONLY to football players.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Texas fan has always hated JoePed because he claims they stole one of the national championships that was rightfully so even though he very well could have played Texas in the Cotton Bowl but chose to duck them.

 

[ucfknight]

Texas fan has always hated JoePed because he claims they stole one of the national championships that was rightfully so even though he very well could have played Texas in the Cotton Bowl but chose to duck them.

He was always a coward. And Yes I hope they do get LOIC, but I was just saying that Failure to Monitor is better then nothing, if the NCAA does not rule it LOIC.

 

[muffler dragon]

FWIW, Bob Dvorchak already has a book out on this scandal:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Game-Over-Sandusky-Culture-Silence/dp/0062201131"]Amazon.com: Game Over: Jerry Sandusky, Penn State, and the Culture of Silence (9780062201133): Bill Moushey, Robert Dvorchak: Books[/ame]

He was on Dino's radio show last night. Seemed to have his shit relatively straight.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

BWI is fucking hilarious right now. Tons of outright flames going unmoderated and undeleted.

Get over there and read some of the shit that Villanova posters are putting up before the admins wake up. That's if they all didn't have a mini-Jim Jones party last night.

 

[AKAK]

See I disagree. This is clearly lack of institiutional control. The institution as a whole had no control over what the athletic department did, what the football program did or what Joe Paterno did. Granted the failure to report the child molestation to the police isnt what the NCAA should be punishing State Penn for. What they should be punished for is that Joe Paterno ran the entire University, from the top down. There was no one monitoring or controlling him. He was able to do what he wanted, when he wanted. He had the final word on all decisions it seems and he directly influenced the discipline that his players got, which the non football playing student body didnt have the luxury of. To me this is a benefit that could be considered a direct NCAA violation since it was given ONLY to football players.

I don't think the NCAA needs to be poking its nose into HOW universities are managed... and again, unless there are violations, there's no LOIC.

As to your last point, and I know you don't mean it this way, but, I would think, I would want the football coach to directly influence the punishment the players get. If I have a good coach, it's not going to be a luxury. I know you meant this in the other direction... and we'll see if anything comes from the improper benefit angle of that. But again, my current understanding of "improper benefits" is getting stuff, or preferential discounts (or free shoes) and when the NCAA suspends players for getting these, usually its and "Improper benefit of less than $500" or whatever. Not sure how you value fewer or more hours of community service.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't think the NCAA needs to be poking its nose into HOW universities are managed... and again, unless there are violations, there's no LOIC.
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I completely agree with the first half. It's the Big Ten Presidents, the AAU and the accrediting agencies that need to get involved.

There is massive LOIC. Again, I just think it's hard to shoehorn it into ncaa defined LOIC.