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there will be NO sanctions, NCAA or otherwise.

the investigations are all just smoke screens to get people to shut up, they aren't investigating anything. more likely they are sitting around waiting for all the dust to settle, then they'll make a high and mighty press release.

the "fbi" investigation is the internal Freeh investigation. The rest are all made up.

will PSU be paying victims to settle claims? yes
will Curley, et al be guilty of perjury? probably
will PSU football be shut down? No
will PSU football lose scholarships? No
will PSU football receive ANY sanctions outside a "reprimand" through the media? no
will PSU students lose Student Aid? No
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well....as long as random goober messageboarder says so.....
 
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People engage in cover-ups not institutions. The people involved are being or have been punished. Paterno's legacy is irreparably damaged. Administrators are going to be convicted. The pedophile will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I don't see why it makes sense to tear down the institution or futher punish people, including players, that had nothing to do with it.
 
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OH10;2173091; said:
People engage in cover-ups not institutions. The people involved are being or have been punished. Paterno's legacy is irreparably damaged. Administrators are going to be convicted. The pedophile will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I don't see why it makes sense to tear down the institution or futher punish people, including players, that had nothing to do with it.
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Allow the players to either finish their educations on scholarship at Ped Aggy or transfer out with no penalty. There, no penalty for the athletes.

By your line of reasoning, Ped Aggy shouldn't shoulder any financial responsibility for what went down. It should all fall to "individuals."

The institution was flawed and complicit to its very core. It should face severe sanctions up to and including shutting down the football program for a couple of years. If the students there can't go to football games for a couple of years, boo-hoo. That's supposedly not why they're there, and it's hopefully not why they chose the place originally.

I still maintain that there are better mechanisms (the CIC, AAU and accrediting agencies) than the ncaa to force this, but ultimately don't really care how it's done.
 
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OH10;2173091; said:
People engage in cover-ups not institutions. The people involved are being or have been punished. Paterno's legacy is irreparably damaged. Administrators are going to be convicted. The pedophile will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I don't see why it makes sense to tear down the institution or futher punish people, including players, that had nothing to do with it.
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I think the idea would be to show those disgusting cult freaks in Happy Valley that certain things, like protecting innocent children from rape, are more important than football.

So yes, some people would be punished that did nothing, but the entire culture in happy valley that puts football above all else needs to be destroyed. Based on reactions, it seems like only the most drastic action will send that message- and even then I'm sure some will take it as a huge conspiracy to bring down the cleanest and most honorable program in college football history.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2173092; said:
Allow the players to either finish their educations on scholarship at Ped Aggy or transfer out with no penalty. There, no penalty for the athletes.

By your line of reasoning, Ped Aggy shouldn't shoulder any financial responsibility for what went down. It should all fall to "individuals."

The institution was flawed and complicit to its very core. It should face severe sanctions up to and including shutting down the football program for a couple of years. If the students there can't go to football games for a couple of years, boo-hoo. That's supposedly not why they're there, and it's hopefully not why they chose the place originally.

I still maintain that there are better mechanisms (the CIC, AAU and accrediting agencies) than the ncaa to force this, but ultimately don't really care how it's done.
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I support the lawsuits, which gives the victims an opportunity to be financially compensated.

I don't support forcing current players, who did nothing wrong, to pack up and move on to another town and institution. I don't see the benefit in that ... to anybody.

And I hate to make the comparison (because the incidents themselves aren't comparable), but I also don't think the current players at Ohio State deserved to be punished next year for the transgressions of former players and a former coach. Those individuals were punished.
 
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Buckeye86;2173093; said:
I think the idea would be to show those disgusting cult freaks in Happy Valley that certain things, like protecting innocent children from rape, are more important than football.

So yes, some people would be punished that did nothing, but the entire culture in happy valley that puts football above all else needs to be destroyed. Based on reactions, it seems like only the most drastic action will send that message- and even then I'm sure some will take it as a huge conspiracy to bring down the cleanest and most honorable program in college football history.
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In reading some of the PSU reaction from last October until now, I would say those in denial have declined from 80% to 25% - and even the latter 1/4 would probably admit in private that they really wish Paterno had pushed for a police investigation back in 2001.

I also don't understand the need to punish the community. If you need some confirmation that they are taking child rape seriously, look at the jury's verdict.
 
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OH10;2173091; said:
People engage in cover-ups not institutions. The people involved are being or have been punished. Paterno's legacy is irreparably damaged. Administrators are going to be convicted. The pedophile will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I don't see why it makes sense to tear down the institution or futher punish people, including players, that had nothing to do with it.
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Then why is Ohio State being punished for Tattoogate this year, and the the next 2 with scholly reductions? Same argument.

The reason the punishment is doled out is to ensure that the institution does the proper thing and adjust its practices and its stucture that obviously allowed the individuals involved to cover up this up. Also, with the State Penn case, one of the reasons for the coverup was to "save the brand" per se, so killing said brand for a year or two would be proper punishment.

The head coach and the admin of the University knowingly covered up details of felony counts against a current (then former) assistant coach. This coach was "barred from the football facilities" yet still maintained an office in the football building and was allowed to bring his victims to those facilities after it was said he was barred.

How can the NCAA not look at this as a total lack of institutional control? The head coach, with help from his superiors, were aiding a horrible monster by letting him use the athletic facilities to do his horrible acts. The complete cover up by the institution in order to save their precious Dear Leader's image should not go unpunished by the NCAA.
 
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OH10;2173094; said:
I support the lawsuits, which gives the victims an opportunity to be financially compensated.

I don't support forcing current players, who did nothing wrong, to pack up and move on to another town and institution. I don't see the benefit in that ... to anybody.

And I hate to make the comparison (because the incidents themselves aren't comparable), but I also don't think the current players at Ohio State deserved to be punished next year for the transgressions of former players and a former coach. Those individuals were punished.
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Given the nature of college football, you have to punish the institution. Otherwise, by the time the ncaa wheels of justice usually run their course, 99% of transgressors could do the blackjack dealer clap and say, they're all gone."

I don't get too weepy over players in big time programs. Let's be honest, most are not in college to get an education. Hell, most Big Ten players wouldn't even be accepted to their chosen universities under normal admissions criteria. If they want to stay at Penn State to finish their education, great and provisions for that should be made. If they're simply in college because there's no minor league for the NFL, then they can pack up and spend a couple of years in someone else's program. If the worst thing that happens to these guys is that they have to get (or at least be presented with the opportunity to get) a free $30,000 a year education at University B instead of University A, forgive my lack of empathy.

This is the worst college athletics scandal of all time. In my opinion, it's worse than SMU, Barry Switzer and UNLV all wrapped into one. To let the program roll on as if nothing happened would be an abysmal statement as to our nation's priorities.
 
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OH10;2173091; said:
People engage in cover-ups not institutions. The people involved are being or have been punished. Paterno's legacy is irreparably damaged. Administrators are going to be convicted. The pedophile will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I don't see why it makes sense to tear down the institution or futher punish people, including players, that had nothing to do with it.
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Institutions must be held accountable for their actions(in-actions). That's why there are rules of ethical conduct written in the NCAA laws.
The rules also allow for athletes to go to another school so they are not punished for the actions of others.
Make no mistake, the NCAA will have their say when the investigations of others provide a complete picture of what happened. Few are the times when the NCAA gets this much help in an investigation.
A shit storm is headed Ped State's way.
 
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buxfan4life;2173101; said:
And we now have the "Joe was old and didn't use email, so he is totally innocent" defense:

http://www.wane.com/dpps/news/national/lawyer-no-paterno-cover-up_4223288

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Ahhhh, but that is the very genius of Dearest Leader Pa Joe Il. Pa Joe Il could be both the Fountain of All Wisdom and Leadership and at the very same time be the Humble Man of the People who knew not of such things as electronic mail or rape between a man and a boy.

Dearest Pa Joe Il who won many footballing matches.
 
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