Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Muck]

And I think we can all agree that there couldn't possibly be any more victims out there that weren't involved in the case ......

Victim 4 was a figment of McQueary's imagination.

 

[Deety]

I wonder what would happen if rather than looking at Penn State through the lens of NCAA rules, the NCAA disassociated itself with the university altogether? No penalties, we just don't want to call you one of us anymore.

That scenario almost certainly isn't even a possibility given agreements between organizations, but I started thinking about could they, would they, and what would the ramifications be if they did, and thought it was worth posting.

 

[Bucklion]

I wonder what would happen if rather than looking at Penn State through the lens of NCAA rules, the NCAA disassociated itself with the university altogether? No penalties, we just don't want to call you one of us anymore.

That scenario almost certainly isn't even a possibility given agreements between organizations, but I started thinking about could they, would they, and what would the ramifications be if they did, and thought it was worth posting.

In theory I don't see why they couldn't...it's basis is athletics, so it's not like it would affect anything other than that. There are issues with punishing the other sports programs, etc., I guess, but theoretically, I don't know what membership entails, but they can basically selectively do anything else they want...why couldn't the NCAA drop somebody?

 

[Taosman]

The NCAA has rules to cover ethics in athletic organizations. Emmert has already said they will have to look at what happened when the various other investigations have run their course. Obviously, the Penn State BOT investigation, the state's and the FBI will be a big help to the NCAA in this extreme case.
It will not bode well for Penn State's chances to avoid LOI and sanctions.

 

[Muck]

I wonder what would happen if rather than looking at Penn State through the lens of NCAA rules, the NCAA disassociated itself with the university altogether? No penalties, we just don't want to call you one of us anymore.

That scenario almost certainly isn't even a possibility given agreements between organizations, but I started thinking about could they, would they, and what would the ramifications be if they did, and thought it was worth posting.

Damnit I should have read this thread first, I just posted something similar in the Sandusky thread.

Yes the NCAA is quite capable of kicking someone out.

Penn St. will do fine as an NAIA institution.

 

[Mac]

The NCAA has rules to cover ethics in athletic organizations. Emmert has already said they will have to look at what happened when the various other investigations have run their course. Obviously, the Penn State BOT investigation, the state's and the FBI will be a big help to the NCAA in this extreme case.
It will not bode well for Penn State's chances to avoid LOI and sanctions.

This could take a while to get any kind of ruling from the NCAA. In the meantime, I look forward to the Bucks going into Rape Valley, and tearing them a new one this fall

 

[buxfan4life]

Looks like the Pedtards have a new scapegoat:

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156017187&mid=156017187&sid=890&style=2

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Is Wendell Courtney lying? Reply

Someone's not telling the truth.


He says he didn't know about 1998, but yet he reviewed the University's Report to Gricar concerning Victim 6, according to a Grand Jury Report.


He says he didn't know about 2001, but now Lubrano hints to us that Spanier, Curley, and Schultz conferred with him on what to do in 2001.


Between him and Baldwin, does Penn State hire the absolute WORST legal representation on the Planet???

 

[buxfan4life]

This is just funny:

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Penn State. Best crowd (e.g., whiteout), best uniforms, wins, JoePa, graduation rate, never investigated by the NCAA.

Me thinks this guys will need to change his answer in the near future.

 

[Woody1968]

Looks like the Pedtards have a new scapegoat:

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156017187&mid=156017187&sid=890&style=2

The lubrano guy really has them on their heels, doesn't he? Total pedtard meltdown in 3...2...1...

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Looks like the Pedtards have a new scapegoat:

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156017187&mid=156017187&sid=890&style=2

Between him and Baldwin, does Penn State hire the absolute WORST legal representation on the Planet???

JFC. They can't even take an opportunity like that to quote AD. It's a softball on a tee.

"I have the worst fucking attorneys".

 

[Woody1968]

This is just funny:

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Penn State. Best crowd (e.g., whiteout), best uniforms, wins, JoePa, graduation rate, never investigated by the NCAA.

Me thinks this guys will need to change his answer in the near future.

From the same thread:

Urine filled balloon tossing at the top of my listReply


Victory Bell after wins. We've got it all.

 

[Oh8ch]

Victory Bell after wins. We've got it all.

Only been there a couple of times - but who knew they had a victory bell.

 

[buxfan4life]

These assholes are pure comedy any more:

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156027156&mid=156027156&sid=890&style=2

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re: the Lubrano comment -- people may be reading to much into it Reply
Let's hypothesize that by 1998, Paterno had become disaffected with Sandusky and his antics in regards to letting Second Mile related stuff INTERFERE with his coaching responsibilities at PSU (and often times become a distraction to the team by "mixing" Second Mile work with his official work responsibilities at PSU - kids on sideline, kids at practice, kids in facilities, encouraging players to entertain kids when they are supposed to be practicing and doing drills, etc..., so forth and so on....). Perhaps Paterno had even spoken with HR (a group that reports through Schultz to Spanier....) about ending Sandusky's tenure in some fashion -- negotiated retirement, outright termination (which I don't think was possible since Sandusky was likely tenured), etc.... Again, Paterno likely would have gone directly to Schultz/Spanier on this matter - he would not have gone to Sandusky, lower level HR people, etc....
Then the 1998 incident happens. Now Senior Management (i.e., Schultz-COO, Spanier-CEO and potentially Executive Committee) has a concrete example of the potential liabilities that Sandusky's "dual employment" relationship with PSU and The Second Mile can generate. After the completion of the investigation relating to 1998 (which was initiated by the University Police who REPORT DIRECTLY TO SCHULTZ), Senior Management may have been extremely interested in acting on Paterno's earlier request regarding Sandusky. None of this even remotely suggests that Pateno needs to have been informed, or brought into the 1998 Criminal Investigation, in any way -- as a matter of fact, it would be SOP to only involve people on a "need to know" basis regarding the Criminal Investigation. Paterno had no "need to know" regarding the criminal probe - Schultz, Spanier and the Executive Committee ABSOLUTELY would have had a "need to know" due to their positions at the University and the protection of the Student Body as well as Campus Security and the safety of the general public at large. Even once the Executive Management decided to "act" in regards to ending Sandusky's "dual employment" status, there is no reason they would have given Paterno details of the Criminal Investigation - they would have merely told him that they were acting on his request to end Sandusky's "dual employment status" with the University and The Second Mile and that it had resulted in a negotiated early-retirement package for Sandusky.

I really don't understand how people are saying this "hypothetical situation", even if it turns out to be the case, implicates that Paterno had detailed knowledge of the 1998 Incident - it absolutely DOES NOT.

No matter what the situation, Joe never knew. I am just waiting for a post like this to show up:

[idolworshipingpedtard] I know the we now have video evidence of Joe eating popcorn while watching Jerry and a second mile kid horseplay in the shower, but THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN JOE KNEW ABOUT THE SEXUAL ABUSE!!!!

I know that we have email evidence where Joe outlined in great detail what he witnessed that night, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN JOE KNEW!!! I understand how it may look to an outsider, but THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT JOE KNEW!!!

I get that a personal diary that has been verified to be Joe's handwriting details that Joe knew what was going on the whole time and he was complicit in the cover up, but THAT DOES NOT REALLY MEAN THAT JOE KNEW!!! JUST LEAVE JOE ALONE!!!!

ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY TO BRING DOWN THE MOST IMPORTANTEST EVER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!![/idolworshipingpedtard]

 

[Woody1968]

These assholes are pure comedy any more:

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156027156&mid=156027156&sid=890&style=2




No matter what the situation, Joe never knew. I am just waiting for a post like this to show up:

[idolworshipingpedtard] I know the we now have video evidence of Joe eating popcorn while watching Jerry and a second mile kid horseplay in the shower, but THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN JOE KNEW ABOUT THE SEXUAL ABUSE!!!!

I know that we have email evidence where Joe outlined in great detail what he witnessed that night, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN JOE KNEW!!! I understand how it may look to an outsider, but THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT JOE KNEW!!!

I get that a personal diary that has been verified to be Joe's handwriting details that Joe knew what was going on the whole time and he was complicit in the cover up, but THAT DOES NOT REALLY MEAN THAT JOE KNEW!!! JUST LEAVE JOE ALONE!!!!

ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY TO BRING DOWN THE MOST IMPORTANTEST EVER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!![/idolworshipingpedtard]

Even a few of the regular posters on there recognize that guy is a troll.

 

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Re: Didn't Schultz make the comment about Courtney reviewing the '98 report? Reply

You're right about Raykovitz too. Seems he's also getting off scott-free in all this.


It seems a LOT of the paid professionals in this fiasco owe Joe a big debt of Thanks!! Instead of the media focusing in on the actual people who were getting paid to handle this kind of legal and law enforcement problem, they spend 24/7 wondering why a 74 year old football coach didn't wave his magic wand and magically make Sandusky dissappear.

It's mind boggling the intellectual pretzel that these people can twist themselves into in order to protect the sanctity of Dear Leader.

Everyone involved is apparently evil, incompetent and interconnected. Yet, JoePed somehow remains magically above it all as if floating on fucking clouds. When there is just the slightest shred of evidence taken out of context that JoePed might have done something, he's this pillar of strength and righteousness and forceful action. Two seconds later, he's some bumbling senile old man who couldn't possibly understand what was going on around him.

BTW, nobody expected JoePed to wave a magic wand. They (and that would be the entire fucking country outside of Ped Aggy) simply expected him to wave his index finger and call the police or children's services.