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409fold said:
The Houston series was initially scheduled in May 2008. Yes, Houston was coming off a couple of decent seasons (10-4 in 2006, 8-5 in 2007), but in the larger-scale, they had only had 4 winning seasons in the last 11, and 5 in the last 17. Houston wasn't playing in BCS-level Bowls at that point (hadn't even won ANY Bowl game since 1980).

http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars...gin-three-game-football-series-in-1775048.php

BTW, buckeyesin07, as I just noticed it was you who responded. That's how you do it: either say "I was wrong, my bad" or "support your point with a piece of factual information, and see where the debate goes."
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Since 2010, Houston has had two 5-7 seasons, but has also had two 8-5 seasons and two 13-1 seasons. That's far from "mid-major dumpster diving." In short, "I was wrong, my bad," was the way you should've responded. I'd think Houston wouldn't be a team you'd choose to trash (pun intended), what with their whole pantsing of Penn State in the bowl game a few years back.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Uh, yeah?
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Ummm....

Houston proves it's one of nation's best with win over FSU in Peach Bowl
By Robby Kalland | Staff Writer

December 31, 2015 3:58 pm ET

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Houston was a 6.5-point underdog to Florida State in the Peach Bowl, but the Cougars proved they can compete with the nation's best teams with a 38-24 victory over the Seminoles on Thursday in Atlanta
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...s-it-belongs-among-the-best-with-win-over-fsu
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Since 2010, Houston has had two 5-7 seasons, but has also had two 8-5 seasons and two 13-1 seasons. That's far from "mid-major dumpster diving." In short, "I was wrong, my bad," was the way you should've responded.
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You are failing to address the point that they scheduled them in May 2008!

At that time, Houston was absolutely a mid-major football school who had been putting up generally sub-.500 seasons (12 of the last 17 years).

Did the UCLA AD have access to some time machine?

buckeyesin07 said:
I'd think Houston wouldn't be a team you'd choose to trash (pun intended), what with their whole pantsing of Penn State in the bowl game a few years back.
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LOL, you are predictable. :cheers:

FWIW, I was at that game, that was a good Houston team. They deserved a better Bowl opponent than us. Yes, I did see PedoBear at the game, he was wandering around my section for awhile.
 
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409fold said:
You are failing to address the point that they scheduled them in May 2008!

At that time, Houston was absolutely a mid-major football school who had been putting up generally sub-.500 seasons (12 of the last 17 years).

Did the UCLA AD have access to some time machine?
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You know as well as I do that teams get credit (or get criticized) for scheduling based on how their opponents do the year the teams actually play. OSU's schedule was trashed the past two seasons, even though it had Virginia Tech on it, a team that has been good over the past 20 or so years, but that underperformed in 2014 and 2015. Your inclusion of Houston, thus, was an odd choice; as shown above, they've been quite a good program in the 2010s. All of that aside, your original post (criticizing UCLA for mid-major dumpster diving) seems a bit off for another reason as well--in the 2010s (the time frame on which you focused), UCLA has scheduled home-and-homes with Texas A&M and Oklahoma. I hardly think that kind of scheduling warrants the criticism you leveled. If that has you up in arms, I suggest you don't take a look at what the likes of Baylor has been scheduling out of conference.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
You know as well as I do that teams get credit (or get criticized) for scheduling based on how their opponents do the year the teams actually play. OSU's schedule was trashed the past two seasons, even though it had Virginia Tech on it, a team that has been good over the past 20 or so years, but that underperformed in 2014 and 2015. Your inclusion of Houston, thus, was an odd choice; as shown above, they've been quite a good program in the 2010s. All of that aside, your original post (criticizing UCLA for mid-major dumpster diving) seems a bit off for another reason as well--in the 2010s (the time frame on which you focused), UCLA has scheduled home-and-homes with Texas A&M and Oklahoma. I hardly think that kind of scheduling warrants the criticism you leveled. If that has you up in arms, I suggest you don't take a look at what the likes of Baylor has been scheduling out of conference.
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I'm not criticizing UCLA --- I just find it odd. They are in recruit-rich Southern California, they have tradition, they are generally pretty good, and they play in one of the most beautiful stadium/settings in America. They would be a credible OOC foe for every D-1 team in America. Nobody's fanbase would object to a home-and-home with UCLA. UCLA is also obviously willing to play road games.

So why so many mid-majors? Houston was not some "one-off." There is also Memphis, UNLV, Rice and San Diego State!!! San Diego State and UNLV are at least regional, fair enough. But there are a lot of mid-majors they are playing home-and-homes with, and most of those are historically not good. Memphis may have had a decent season in 2015, but they do fit the pattern. The home-and-home was scheduled in December 2012, when the Tigers were coming off 4 consecutive 4-win-or-less seasons.

Baylor has to start doing a lot better. I get it, they stunk for a long time and were scheduling for wins. But that era is over, and it is time for them to step things up dramatically (even if Waco ranks completely opposite Pasadena in terms of desirable road trips for opposing fans).
 
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I just reviewed the SOS power ratings by Massey for PSU and UCLA for 2010 - 2015.

  • PSU is ranked #40 to #60 most years.
  • UCLA is ranked in the top 5 three years, higher than PSU every year, and, on average, more than 30 places higher than PSU.
FACTS AND EVIDENTS!
 
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Steve19 said:
I just reviewed the SOS power ratings by Massey for PSU and UCLA for 2010 - 2015.

  • PSU is ranked #40 to #60 most years.
  • UCLA is ranked in the top 5 three years, higher than PSU every year, and, on average, more than 30 places higher than PSU.
FACTS AND EVIDENTS!
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To their credit, UCLA has never played an FCS opponent out-of-conference. That does inflate their SOS, though.

I won't argue that PSU needs to start scheduling better. There was a "let's just win games" dynamic (sort of like Baylor) over the last few years, and that's why UCF got a home-and-"home" (sort of home, Ireland). But we're beyond that now.
 
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