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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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AJHawkfan said:
You can "what if" this whole situation to death. What if Sandusky didn't molest those boys? What if Joesus or McQueary or Spanier or Schultz or Curley went to the police (or at the very least forced Sandusky to conduct his molesting sessions off campus) instead of turning a blind eye to his crimes? What if the PSU BoT would've fought the NCAA instead of throwing themselves at their mercy and then bitching about the punishment?
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Of course.

But it was another poster who initially asked the "what if there was no scandal?" -- I didn't start the topic, I just provided an answer.
 
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Joe Pa Thetic said:
Great thread on BWI asking "What would Joe think?" The thread in question wonders what Joesus would think of the 2016 PSU Spring football guide featuring a player on the cover whose arms are covered with tattoos. I am not into tattoos myself, but Joesus Christ, nothing says old man stuck in the last century like bitching about tattoos on current players.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/what-would-joe-think.109401/
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I imagine Derrick Williams and Devon Still made at least one cover each. Both were spoiled by the devil's ink
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I can't speak for everyone, but for me it boils down to (a) Meyer's from Ohio (I've heard him on many occasions refer to his love for the state, referring to Ohio as "the great State of Ohio"--the next time he utters the words "the great State of Pennsylvania" will be the first, to my knowledge), (b) he had coaching experience at Ohio State, (c) his mentor was HC at OSU, and (d) you aren't going to want to hear this, but OSU was one of the preeminent football programs in the country in the 25 years leading up to his accepting the job, something that Penn State, quite frankly, isn't even close to being. I'll believe there was a real shot Urban was going to go to Penn State just as soon as I'll start believing he there was a real shot that he was going to go to Iowa. Because that's what Penn State is--it's Iowa. Actually, Penn State wishes it were Iowa in the past 30 years (the last time Penn State was relevant on a national scale).
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Actually, Penn State is a bit ahead of Iowa over 30 years.

But, in this millennium, Iowa is ahead http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...2000&end=2015&rpct=30&min=5&c1a=on&by=Win+Pct
 
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Woody1968 said:
Iowa is 9-7 against Ped State in the last 30 years, though.
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True. Head-to-head is a component, but in terms of aggregate success over the 1986-2015 period, I don't think it's arguable. At all.

"Buckeyesin07" had an argument if he simply said "in this millennium." I have no idea why he said "30 years", that exaggeration torpedoed the credibility of his argument. Iowa has a fine football history and was good themselves in the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, but "30 years" put some of Penn State's all-time best years INTO the equation.
 
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409fold said:
True. Head-to-head is a component, but in terms of aggregate success over the 1986-2015 period, I don't think it's arguable. At all.

"Buckeyesin07" had an argument if he simply said "in this millennium." I have no idea why he said "30 years", that exaggeration torpedoed the credibility of his argument. Iowa has a fine football history and was good themselves in the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, but "30 years" put some of Penn State's all-time best years INTO the equation.
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Plus, Iowa never got boned by Big Ten voters. (1994)

Note that, to my knowledge, the Big Ten doesn't actually have any voters. However, Penn State fans tend to blame the fact that they weren't picked unanimous #1 by voters who live in the same states as Big Ten member teams on the Big Ten.

Also, as has been documented on this forum (probably in this thread), even if they HAD gotten all of those voters to pick them #1, they still wouldn't have gotten enough votes to be #1 in the country.

Also also, until you can prove to me that Penn State would have beaten Nebraska that year, I see no reason to fault someone for picking Nebraska above Penn State.

Also also also, eff Penn State fans who still whine about this. And eff them in general for making me waste time this evening on this. And eff anyone else who makes the point that I didn't really HAVE to waste time on this, because I do have to waste this time on this.
 
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409fold said:
True. Head-to-head is a component, but in terms of aggregate success over the 1986-2015 period, I don't think it's arguable. At all.

"Buckeyesin07" had an argument if he simply said "in this millennium." I have no idea why he said "30 years", that exaggeration torpedoed the credibility of his argument. Iowa has a fine football history and was good themselves in the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, but "30 years" put some of Penn State's all-time best years INTO the equation.
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No, you're not sensitive at all. :lol: I picked 30 years mainly because that was approximately when PSU last won a title. Since then, PSU is garbage. Does Iowa have a better record than Penn State over the past 30 years, or a better record head-to-head against Penn State over the past 30 years? Hate to break it to you, but no one gives a [censored]. Which was exactly my point--Penn State's been irrelevant over the past 30 years. Go take your better record overall than Iowa over the past 30 years (despite having a losing record to them overall, evidently) and talk with the other truthers about how great that is. No one else cares.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
No, you're not sensitive at all. :lol: I picked 30 years mainly because that was approximately when PSU last won a title. Since then, PSU is garbage. Does Iowa have a better record than Penn State over the past 30 years, or a better record head-to-head against Penn State over the past 30 years? Hate to break it to you, but no one gives a [censored]. Which was exactly my point--Penn State's been irrelevant over the past 30 years. Go take your better record overall than Iowa over the past 30 years (despite having a losing record to them overall, evidently) and talk with the other truthers about how great that is. No one else cares.
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As I've done elsewhere in this thread, I'll agree with you when you make good points.

If X is a number, X = 15 is a good choice, X = 30 is a bad choice if one is arguing "Iowa is better than Penn State over the last X years."

Fair enough, I'm sensitive. So are you --- instead of simply saying "I should have said 15 instead of 30", you carry on vs. just conceding the point.
 
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Zurp said:
Plus, Iowa never got boned by Big Ten voters. (1994)

Note that, to my knowledge, the Big Ten doesn't actually have any voters. However, Penn State fans tend to blame the fact that they weren't picked unanimous #1 by voters who live in the same states as Big Ten member teams on the Big Ten.

Also, as has been documented on this forum (probably in this thread), even if they HAD gotten all of those voters to pick them #1, they still wouldn't have gotten enough votes to be #1 in the country.

Also also, until you can prove to me that Penn State would have beaten Nebraska that year, I see no reason to fault someone for picking Nebraska above Penn State.

Also also also, eff Penn State fans who still whine about this. And eff them in general for making me waste time this evening on this. And eff anyone else who makes the point that I didn't really HAVE to waste time on this, because I do have to waste this time on this.
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I respect people who have both opinions on 1994. Nobody knows what would have happened in a theoretical game. All conjecture.

I grew up in Michigan in the 1980s, so I grew up in B1G country. Even as a kid, the "B1G Champion goes to the Rose Bowl, end of story" mindset of the 1980s confused me. Why limit yourself such?

I am happy that our conference eventually agreed. The 1994 and 1997 systems, where PSU/U-M didn't play Nebraska but instead played good but not elite Pac-12 champions in Pasadena, were dumb. The 2002 and 2006 systems, where OSU played Miami/UF for all the marbles, was infinitely better.
 
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409fold said:
As I've done elsewhere in this thread, I'll agree with you when you make good points.

If X is a number, X = 15 is a good choice, X = 30 is a bad choice if one is arguing "Iowa is better than Penn State over the last X years."

Fair enough, I'm sensitive. So are you --- instead of simply saying "I should have said 15 instead of 30", you carry on vs. just conceding the point.
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Evidently you missed my point. Allow me to repeat: No one cares. When there is an argument is over what is "X" in the statement, "Iowa is better than Penn State over the last X years," the point is the Penn State program is irrelevant nationally. The only people who actually care about what is "X" live in Iowa City and State College. The rest of college football doesn't give your program a second thought. Which is why OSU fans laugh at the notion that Meyer would have ever seriously considered coaching at Penn State.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Evidently you missed my point. Allow me to repeat: No one cares. When there is an argument is over what is "X" in the statement, "Iowa is better than Penn State over the last X years," the point is the Penn State program is irrelevant nationally. The only people who actually care about what is "X" live in Iowa City and State College. The rest of college football doesn't give your program a second thought. Which is why OSU fans laugh at the notion that Meyer would have ever seriously considered coaching at Penn State.
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Still carrying on, not simply saying "I should have said 15 instead of 30" and just moving on (I'm really not a bad guy) ............

I get it, there are many Penn State fans who will NEVER concede a single point as regards Joe Paterno. Jesus Christ himself could come down and point out "facts and evidence", and those Penn State fans would huff and puff and not concede a single point. There are INCAPABLE of admitting they were wrong on a single point.

It is fair to point out the foolish behavior of those Penn State fans. Those PSU fans should just admit they were wrong (there's nothing wrong with that!), and move on.

Take that as you will ........
 
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409fold said:
Still carrying on, not simply saying "I should have said 15 instead of 30" and just moving on (I'm really not a bad guy) ............

I get it, there are many Penn State fans who will NEVER concede a single point as regards Joe Paterno. Jesus Christ himself could come down and point out "facts and evidence", and those Penn State fans would huff and puff and not concede a single point. There are INCAPABLE of admitting they were wrong on a single point.

It is fair to point out the foolish behavior of those Penn State fans. Those PSU fans should just admit they were wrong (there's nothing wrong with that!), and move on.

Take that as you will ........
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Again, no one cares outside of Iowa City and State College. Iowa's head-to-head advantage at least puts your position into question. But neither program over that period is worth my time to consider the question further. Sorry if you find that disappointing.
 
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